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Attributes | |
ACN | 422120 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lbb |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 22500 msl bound upper : 22500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighting Falcon F16 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 10 |
ASRS Report | 422120 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | oversight : supervisor |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Sting 3 (originally a flight of 4 F16's) requested to exit the area (bronco 3 and 4 MOA's) via direct cvs at 14000 ft. Sting 3 was cleared direct cvs, maintain 14000 ft. Approximately 1 min after this, sting 5 flight called at FL270 requesting to return to base via lbb txo. At that point, sting 5 was advised to maintain VFR. I issued a beacon code and again advised sting 5 to maintain VFR. Sting 3 entered the bronco 3 and 4 area as a flight of 4, never letting anyone know of their intentions to return to cvs as 2 flts of 2. The LOA states that flts requesting separate recoveries shall have a flight plan on file. This was not done. I had cleared, what I believed to be a flight of 4 F16's, sting 3 direct cvs at 14000 ft. I had coordinated this routing and altitude because it was contrary to normal recovery rtes and altitudes. After advising affected sectors and approach controls that the bronco areas 3 and 4 were clear, sting 5 called at FL270, requesting to return to base via direct lbb direct txo. I advised the supervisor of these events. He in turn called the cvs supervisor of flying. The sof was aware of our concern, would talk to the pilots. He seemed to convey that cvs is aware of the LOA but does basically what they want to. There seems to be a disregard for the LOA. This has been going on since the creation of this LOA was created for the bronco MOA's.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT OF 4 F16'S ENTER MOA AND COME OUT AS 2 FLTS OF 2.
Narrative: STING 3 (ORIGINALLY A FLT OF 4 F16'S) REQUESTED TO EXIT THE AREA (BRONCO 3 AND 4 MOA'S) VIA DIRECT CVS AT 14000 FT. STING 3 WAS CLRED DIRECT CVS, MAINTAIN 14000 FT. APPROX 1 MIN AFTER THIS, STING 5 FLT CALLED AT FL270 REQUESTING TO RETURN TO BASE VIA LBB TXO. AT THAT POINT, STING 5 WAS ADVISED TO MAINTAIN VFR. I ISSUED A BEACON CODE AND AGAIN ADVISED STING 5 TO MAINTAIN VFR. STING 3 ENTERED THE BRONCO 3 AND 4 AREA AS A FLT OF 4, NEVER LETTING ANYONE KNOW OF THEIR INTENTIONS TO RETURN TO CVS AS 2 FLTS OF 2. THE LOA STATES THAT FLTS REQUESTING SEPARATE RECOVERIES SHALL HAVE A FLT PLAN ON FILE. THIS WAS NOT DONE. I HAD CLRED, WHAT I BELIEVED TO BE A FLT OF 4 F16'S, STING 3 DIRECT CVS AT 14000 FT. I HAD COORDINATED THIS ROUTING AND ALT BECAUSE IT WAS CONTRARY TO NORMAL RECOVERY RTES AND ALTS. AFTER ADVISING AFFECTED SECTORS AND APCH CTLS THAT THE BRONCO AREAS 3 AND 4 WERE CLR, STING 5 CALLED AT FL270, REQUESTING TO RETURN TO BASE VIA DIRECT LBB DIRECT TXO. I ADVISED THE SUPVR OF THESE EVENTS. HE IN TURN CALLED THE CVS SUPVR OF FLYING. THE SOF WAS AWARE OF OUR CONCERN, WOULD TALK TO THE PLTS. HE SEEMED TO CONVEY THAT CVS IS AWARE OF THE LOA BUT DOES BASICALLY WHAT THEY WANT TO. THERE SEEMS TO BE A DISREGARD FOR THE LOA. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE CREATION OF THIS LOA WAS CREATED FOR THE BRONCO MOA'S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.