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Attributes | |
ACN | 422300 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 18700 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 422300 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 14772 flight time type : 27 |
ASRS Report | 422168 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 700 |
Narrative:
I was performing IOE on a newly transitioned captain. En route from cvg to dtw, we encountered turbulence at our filed cruise altitude of FL220 and requested FL190. Upon leveling at FL190, we were asked our altitude by ZID. About the same time, I noticed a king air ahead and below approximately FL180, same direction of flight. Because of center's altitude inquiry, I saw immediately that we had failed to set altimeters to 29.92. They were still set at 30.36. We responded that we were correcting. It was good VFR and the aircraft was in sight. No evasive action was necessary. For whatever reason I missed this simple, recurring, normal procedure is beyond me. We were discussing various procedures during the climb as usual after 10000 ft and also discussing a possible change in cruise altitude and whether or not engine intake ice would be required. Supplemental information from acn 422168: IOE. Training instructor (right seat), chief pilot in jump seat, and myself (an IOE captain) in left seat. The training instructor was flying aircraft. We initially climbed to FL210. The IOE training instructor did not change altimeter to 29.92 passing FL180. I was busy finishing checklist, putting away approach charts, and getting out other approach charts. I did not notice that we did not set in 29.92 passing FL180. We leveled off at our assigned altitude for several mins before ZID said our altitude was off more than 300 ft from assigned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BA146 CREW DEVIATES FROM CLRED ALT IN CLB AFTER FAILING TO RESET ALTIMETER IN ZID AIRSPACE.
Narrative: I WAS PERFORMING IOE ON A NEWLY TRANSITIONED CAPT. ENRTE FROM CVG TO DTW, WE ENCOUNTERED TURB AT OUR FILED CRUISE ALT OF FL220 AND REQUESTED FL190. UPON LEVELING AT FL190, WE WERE ASKED OUR ALT BY ZID. ABOUT THE SAME TIME, I NOTICED A KING AIR AHEAD AND BELOW APPROX FL180, SAME DIRECTION OF FLT. BECAUSE OF CTR'S ALT INQUIRY, I SAW IMMEDIATELY THAT WE HAD FAILED TO SET ALTIMETERS TO 29.92. THEY WERE STILL SET AT 30.36. WE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE CORRECTING. IT WAS GOOD VFR AND THE ACFT WAS IN SIGHT. NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS NECESSARY. FOR WHATEVER REASON I MISSED THIS SIMPLE, RECURRING, NORMAL PROC IS BEYOND ME. WE WERE DISCUSSING VARIOUS PROCS DURING THE CLB AS USUAL AFTER 10000 FT AND ALSO DISCUSSING A POSSIBLE CHANGE IN CRUISE ALT AND WHETHER OR NOT ENG INTAKE ICE WOULD BE REQUIRED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 422168: IOE. TRAINING INSTRUCTOR (R SEAT), CHIEF PLT IN JUMP SEAT, AND MYSELF (AN IOE CAPT) IN L SEAT. THE TRAINING INSTRUCTOR WAS FLYING ACFT. WE INITIALLY CLBED TO FL210. THE IOE TRAINING INSTRUCTOR DID NOT CHANGE ALTIMETER TO 29.92 PASSING FL180. I WAS BUSY FINISHING CHKLIST, PUTTING AWAY APCH CHARTS, AND GETTING OUT OTHER APCH CHARTS. I DID NOT NOTICE THAT WE DID NOT SET IN 29.92 PASSING FL180. WE LEVELED OFF AT OUR ASSIGNED ALT FOR SEVERAL MINS BEFORE ZID SAID OUR ALT WAS OFF MORE THAN 300 FT FROM ASSIGNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.