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Attributes | |
ACN | 423749 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bct |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | HS 125 Series 700 |
Flight Phase | landing other other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 423749 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on an IFR flight from lns to bct. Everything was normal until the final phase over pbi VOR at 3000 ft when we were switched over to pbi approach on 125.2 from another pbi controller. When we switched over to 125.2, we were receiving (on that frequency) an ATIS WX briefing. We brought it to the previous controller's attention 4 or 5 times, trying it on both radios. The controller insisted we had to talk to that particular controller if we were landing at bct. The WX was VFR and the airport was in sight, so we canceled IFR and proceeded toward the airport. We had to descend below a scattered cloud layer and we were cleared to leave the frequency. When we called a left downwind at bct, another aircraft called a downwind also. We saw him inside us, and, as it was a light twin engine, we let him proceed. We extended our downwind and called a base leg at which time another single engine aircraft called a base leg. At that time we climbed to 2500 ft out of the pattern altitude and completed a 360 degree turn to clear the area. We then called a 5 mi final at which time another twin engine aircraft called a 2 mi final. We followed him in as he cleared the runway just before we touched down. I don't believe we violated any airspace when we descended into bct, but just want to make sure. There was no conflict with any other aircraft, but I think that with a little more cooperation on the controller's part by trying to get us another frequency or some other assistance this would have been avoided. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter states that he tried the quoted frequency on both radios, but the ATIS broadcast continued on that frequency. The reporter felt that the controller was less than helpful since he provided no alternative to the frequency issued.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HS125 CREW ENCOUNTERS MULTIPLE ACFT IN SEE AND AVOID SIT IN BCT AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT FROM LNS TO BCT. EVERYTHING WAS NORMAL UNTIL THE FINAL PHASE OVER PBI VOR AT 3000 FT WHEN WE WERE SWITCHED OVER TO PBI APCH ON 125.2 FROM ANOTHER PBI CTLR. WHEN WE SWITCHED OVER TO 125.2, WE WERE RECEIVING (ON THAT FREQ) AN ATIS WX BRIEFING. WE BROUGHT IT TO THE PREVIOUS CTLR'S ATTN 4 OR 5 TIMES, TRYING IT ON BOTH RADIOS. THE CTLR INSISTED WE HAD TO TALK TO THAT PARTICULAR CTLR IF WE WERE LNDG AT BCT. THE WX WAS VFR AND THE ARPT WAS IN SIGHT, SO WE CANCELED IFR AND PROCEEDED TOWARD THE ARPT. WE HAD TO DSND BELOW A SCATTERED CLOUD LAYER AND WE WERE CLRED TO LEAVE THE FREQ. WHEN WE CALLED A L DOWNWIND AT BCT, ANOTHER ACFT CALLED A DOWNWIND ALSO. WE SAW HIM INSIDE US, AND, AS IT WAS A LIGHT TWIN ENG, WE LET HIM PROCEED. WE EXTENDED OUR DOWNWIND AND CALLED A BASE LEG AT WHICH TIME ANOTHER SINGLE ENG ACFT CALLED A BASE LEG. AT THAT TIME WE CLBED TO 2500 FT OUT OF THE PATTERN ALT AND COMPLETED A 360 DEG TURN TO CLR THE AREA. WE THEN CALLED A 5 MI FINAL AT WHICH TIME ANOTHER TWIN ENG ACFT CALLED A 2 MI FINAL. WE FOLLOWED HIM IN AS HE CLRED THE RWY JUST BEFORE WE TOUCHED DOWN. I DON'T BELIEVE WE VIOLATED ANY AIRSPACE WHEN WE DSNDED INTO BCT, BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT WITH ANY OTHER ACFT, BUT I THINK THAT WITH A LITTLE MORE COOPERATION ON THE CTLR'S PART BY TRYING TO GET US ANOTHER FREQ OR SOME OTHER ASSISTANCE THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATES THAT HE TRIED THE QUOTED FREQ ON BOTH RADIOS, BUT THE ATIS BROADCAST CONTINUED ON THAT FREQ. THE RPTR FELT THAT THE CTLR WAS LESS THAN HELPFUL SINCE HE PROVIDED NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE FREQ ISSUED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.