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Attributes | |
ACN | 423802 |
Time | |
Date | 199812 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : san |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 100 agl bound upper : 100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Brasilia EMB-120 All Series |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 423802 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 423801 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : vfr in imc other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure other |
Narrative:
Before starting the approach at san we received WX 3 mi visibility and 100 ft scattered. Approach brought us in longer than usual and closer to the airport. I told them I had the airport in sight, although it was partially obscured by what I thought were low clouds from the WX report. Due to an aircraft on final to follow us and because we were lower than usual for an approach at this airport, I turned final too soon and found myself somewhat high on the approach. I attempted to correct this by descending aggressively. About the time we turned on final, the tower reported landing RVR at 6000 ft. It never occurred to me that meant we were no longer legal for a visual approach. I was busy trying to get down and stabilize the approach path. This resulted in numerous GPWS 'sink rate' warnings, which subsided about 100 ft above the runway. It still resulted in a firm landing and then we rolled into some very dense fog and had to slowly pick our way off the runway onto the taxiway. It would have been helpful to get an RVR reading as soon as we talked to tower or from socal approach before they gave us clearance for the visual.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: E120 CREW WAS GIVEN A VISUAL APCH TO SAN AND ALTHOUGH THEY HAD THE RWY IN SIGHT, THE TWR RPTED RVR 6000 FT WHILE THEY WERE ON SHORT FINAL.
Narrative: BEFORE STARTING THE APCH AT SAN WE RECEIVED WX 3 MI VISIBILITY AND 100 FT SCATTERED. APCH BROUGHT US IN LONGER THAN USUAL AND CLOSER TO THE ARPT. I TOLD THEM I HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT, ALTHOUGH IT WAS PARTIALLY OBSCURED BY WHAT I THOUGHT WERE LOW CLOUDS FROM THE WX RPT. DUE TO AN ACFT ON FINAL TO FOLLOW US AND BECAUSE WE WERE LOWER THAN USUAL FOR AN APCH AT THIS ARPT, I TURNED FINAL TOO SOON AND FOUND MYSELF SOMEWHAT HIGH ON THE APCH. I ATTEMPTED TO CORRECT THIS BY DSNDING AGGRESSIVELY. ABOUT THE TIME WE TURNED ON FINAL, THE TWR RPTED LNDG RVR AT 6000 FT. IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT MEANT WE WERE NO LONGER LEGAL FOR A VISUAL APCH. I WAS BUSY TRYING TO GET DOWN AND STABILIZE THE APCH PATH. THIS RESULTED IN NUMEROUS GPWS 'SINK RATE' WARNINGS, WHICH SUBSIDED ABOUT 100 FT ABOVE THE RWY. IT STILL RESULTED IN A FIRM LNDG AND THEN WE ROLLED INTO SOME VERY DENSE FOG AND HAD TO SLOWLY PICK OUR WAY OFF THE RWY ONTO THE TXWY. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO GET AN RVR READING AS SOON AS WE TALKED TO TWR OR FROM SOCAL APCH BEFORE THEY GAVE US CLRNC FOR THE VISUAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.