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Attributes | |
ACN | 381898 |
Time | |
Date | 199709 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mke |
State Reference | WI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mke tower : hel |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 310/T310C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 15 |
ASRS Report | 381898 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
The twin cessna was on a right base for runway 25R, aware of the DC9 on final for runway 25L. The twin cessna had the DC9 in sight. The DC9 on final for runway 25L was aware of the twin cessna for runway 25R, and had the twin cessna in sight, got an RA from TCASII, and went around. The pilot informed us that RA's must, in all circumstances, be adhered to. Company confirmed this, and when queried as to whether they might consider changing their policy and operating in the TA mode in the airport environment, responded that they would prefer to have their pilots operate in the RA mode, and trust the RA over what they observe with their own eyes. Throughout this entire scenario, I had both aircraft in sight and informed both aircraft of this. I feel the TCASII should not be used in RA mode in the vicinity of the airport. Also, I feel that strict adherence to RA's is a questionable policy when pilots see the traffic and are informed as to the details of the situation and don't feel they are in jeopardy.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR DC9 ON VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L WAS GIVEN TFC INFO AND SIGHTED A C310 ON R BASE FOR RWY 25R. THE DC9 RECEIVED A TCASII RA ON THE C310 AND EXECUTED A GAR. COMPANY MGMNT REFUSED ATC REQUEST THAT THEIR ACFT OPERATE IN THE TA MODE WHEN NEAR THE ARPT.
Narrative: THE TWIN CESSNA WAS ON A R BASE FOR RWY 25R, AWARE OF THE DC9 ON FINAL FOR RWY 25L. THE TWIN CESSNA HAD THE DC9 IN SIGHT. THE DC9 ON FINAL FOR RWY 25L WAS AWARE OF THE TWIN CESSNA FOR RWY 25R, AND HAD THE TWIN CESSNA IN SIGHT, GOT AN RA FROM TCASII, AND WENT AROUND. THE PLT INFORMED US THAT RA'S MUST, IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, BE ADHERED TO. COMPANY CONFIRMED THIS, AND WHEN QUERIED AS TO WHETHER THEY MIGHT CONSIDER CHANGING THEIR POLICY AND OPERATING IN THE TA MODE IN THE ARPT ENVIRONMENT, RESPONDED THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THEIR PLTS OPERATE IN THE RA MODE, AND TRUST THE RA OVER WHAT THEY OBSERVE WITH THEIR OWN EYES. THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE SCENARIO, I HAD BOTH ACFT IN SIGHT AND INFORMED BOTH ACFT OF THIS. I FEEL THE TCASII SHOULD NOT BE USED IN RA MODE IN THE VICINITY OF THE ARPT. ALSO, I FEEL THAT STRICT ADHERENCE TO RA'S IS A QUESTIONABLE POLICY WHEN PLTS SEE THE TFC AND ARE INFORMED AS TO THE DETAILS OF THE SIT AND DON'T FEEL THEY ARE IN JEOPARDY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.