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Attributes | |
ACN | 424604 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cvg |
State Reference | KY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2400 msl bound upper : 3800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Experience | controller radar : 10 |
ASRS Report | 424604 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Observed a target on 1200 squawk nnebound at 2400 ft indicated. Issued traffic to departing B727 not knowing what the aircraft was going to do. Continued to track target and relayed an automated pointout/handoff to the final controller. Aircraft turned eastbound 8 mi north of cvg across the finals of runway right&left into cvg. Runway 18R aircraft on final were passing 500 ft overhead of runway 18L, aircraft approximately 3800-3500 ft. I believe that this is a problem and safety issue. ATC should be talking to these aircraft. One because you do not know if or when this pilot may begin to climb (through a hole in the clouds or encountering higher ceilings) through the departure rtes or the finals. I observed an E120 and canada regional jet (carj) that were in close proximity to this VFR aircraft on final to runway 18R. Approximately 1 - 1 1/2 mi horizontal, 500 ft vertical, class B airspace would require these individuals to be in communication with ATC and safety to the flying public and the pilot in question would then be guaranteed. As it is now, it is a bit of a crap shoot when you are not in communication with the one aircraft that has the potential to have a great impact on the situation at hand.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT #1 ENTERED CLASS C AIRSPACE WITHOUT COMMUNICATING WITH TRACON. RPTR STATES ACFT #1 WAS A HAZARD TO BOTH DEPARTING ACFT #2 AND ARRIVING ACFT AT CVG.
Narrative: OBSERVED A TARGET ON 1200 SQUAWK NNEBOUND AT 2400 FT INDICATED. ISSUED TFC TO DEPARTING B727 NOT KNOWING WHAT THE ACFT WAS GOING TO DO. CONTINUED TO TRACK TARGET AND RELAYED AN AUTOMATED POINTOUT/HDOF TO THE FINAL CTLR. ACFT TURNED EBOUND 8 MI N OF CVG ACROSS THE FINALS OF RWY R&L INTO CVG. RWY 18R ACFT ON FINAL WERE PASSING 500 FT OVERHEAD OF RWY 18L, ACFT APPROX 3800-3500 FT. I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A PROB AND SAFETY ISSUE. ATC SHOULD BE TALKING TO THESE ACFT. ONE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW IF OR WHEN THIS PLT MAY BEGIN TO CLB (THROUGH A HOLE IN THE CLOUDS OR ENCOUNTERING HIGHER CEILINGS) THROUGH THE DEP RTES OR THE FINALS. I OBSERVED AN E120 AND CANADA REGIONAL JET (CARJ) THAT WERE IN CLOSE PROX TO THIS VFR ACFT ON FINAL TO RWY 18R. APPROX 1 - 1 1/2 MI HORIZ, 500 FT VERT, CLASS B AIRSPACE WOULD REQUIRE THESE INDIVIDUALS TO BE IN COM WITH ATC AND SAFETY TO THE FLYING PUBLIC AND THE PLT IN QUESTION WOULD THEN BE GUARANTEED. AS IT IS NOW, IT IS A BIT OF A CRAP SHOOT WHEN YOU ARE NOT IN COM WITH THE ONE ACFT THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE A GREAT IMPACT ON THE SIT AT HAND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.