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Attributes | |
ACN | 424910 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cvg |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 480 |
ASRS Report | 424910 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Upon arrival at the gate, we noticed the aircraft had been on the ground all night and was covered with snow and ice. After pushback, we taxied to the deice pad and the aircraft was deiced by 3 deicing trucks using a 100% concentration of type I fluid. The deice crew notified us that the aircraft was 'free and clear of all ice and snow.' hold over time was not an issue as there was no precipitation and we were airborne within 20 mins. After takeoff, we had to climb through a small deck of clouds and were on top at 6000 ft. Engine and wing anti-ice was used. Upon leveloff at FL350, a flight attendant informed us of ice on the wings. A passenger had informed her. I went back to inspect and found a significant amount of clear ice on both wings from the wingroot out to 7-8 ft aft of mid-chord. We experienced no abnormal flight characteristics and the ice was gone upon arrival to las. I believe the deicers thought they had removed all the ice, but I don't think they checked closely enough. There was a truck on each wing and both guys missed the ice. Granted, it was clear ice and it would be difficult to see with deicing fluid draining over it. However, as pilots, we followed all published deice procedures and were not required to visually check the wings. The captain is responsible for not taking off with any snow or ice on the aircraft, yet he's dependent upon the judgement of the deicing crew. Either a visual check by pilots needs to be done after deicing, or ice probes should be used by deicers to ensure complete removal.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 WAS SPRAYED FOR ICE REMOVAL AT CVG. LATER ICE WAS DISCOVERED ON BOTH INBOARD WING SURFACES.
Narrative: UPON ARR AT THE GATE, WE NOTICED THE ACFT HAD BEEN ON THE GND ALL NIGHT AND WAS COVERED WITH SNOW AND ICE. AFTER PUSHBACK, WE TAXIED TO THE DEICE PAD AND THE ACFT WAS DEICED BY 3 DEICING TRUCKS USING A 100% CONCENTRATION OF TYPE I FLUID. THE DEICE CREW NOTIFIED US THAT THE ACFT WAS 'FREE AND CLR OF ALL ICE AND SNOW.' HOLD OVER TIME WAS NOT AN ISSUE AS THERE WAS NO PRECIPITATION AND WE WERE AIRBORNE WITHIN 20 MINS. AFTER TKOF, WE HAD TO CLB THROUGH A SMALL DECK OF CLOUDS AND WERE ON TOP AT 6000 FT. ENG AND WING ANTI-ICE WAS USED. UPON LEVELOFF AT FL350, A FLT ATTENDANT INFORMED US OF ICE ON THE WINGS. A PAX HAD INFORMED HER. I WENT BACK TO INSPECT AND FOUND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CLR ICE ON BOTH WINGS FROM THE WINGROOT OUT TO 7-8 FT AFT OF MID-CHORD. WE EXPERIENCED NO ABNORMAL FLT CHARACTERISTICS AND THE ICE WAS GONE UPON ARR TO LAS. I BELIEVE THE DEICERS THOUGHT THEY HAD REMOVED ALL THE ICE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY CHKED CLOSELY ENOUGH. THERE WAS A TRUCK ON EACH WING AND BOTH GUYS MISSED THE ICE. GRANTED, IT WAS CLR ICE AND IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH DEICING FLUID DRAINING OVER IT. HOWEVER, AS PLTS, WE FOLLOWED ALL PUBLISHED DEICE PROCS AND WERE NOT REQUIRED TO VISUALLY CHK THE WINGS. THE CAPT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT TAKING OFF WITH ANY SNOW OR ICE ON THE ACFT, YET HE'S DEPENDENT UPON THE JUDGEMENT OF THE DEICING CREW. EITHER A VISUAL CHK BY PLTS NEEDS TO BE DONE AFTER DEICING, OR ICE PROBES SHOULD BE USED BY DEICERS TO ENSURE COMPLETE REMOVAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.