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Attributes | |
ACN | 425954 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mlb |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1100 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 425954 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac incursion : runway non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Myself in the right front seat, a private student in the left front seat and a private student in the rear seat, had finished our runup and taxied to the hold short line of runway 4 for takeoff. Our first call to tower was interrupted twice by other aircraft on the frequency. It was quite a busy exchange for the controller, he did not seem able to talk fast enough before someone else would call in. When we did get a hold of him, we were told to hold short, which we did. While we waited, I was reviewing with the students the procedure for the soft field takeoff we would be doing. I heard the controller used, only that it sounded like the same clearance for takeoff that we had received so many times before. The student in the back seat was talking over the intercom at the time, so I asked the student controling the aircraft if we were cleared for takeoff and he said yes. We proceeded with our takeoff roll and just before reaching takeoff speed, the student lost directional control. The aircraft started to skip off the left side of the runway with an extreme nose high attitude, without sufficient airspeed to climb. I had to wrestle with the student while also yelling to regain enough control to prevent a ground loop and/or hitting the runway lights. I managed to lower the nose enough to get the airspeed needed to climb. During the next few moments of the climb out, I would guess from about 50 ft to approximately 300+ ft, I did not hear anything from the tower. I think that there had been some radio traffic during our 'emergency,' but due to the urgency of my current situation and worried about our aircraft and ourselves, I don't remember hearing anything discernable but the stall warning horn and a jumble of different voices. At approximately 300-400 ft, the controller called us and asked if we realized that we just took off without a clearance and that we made a challenger jet expedite his climb to miss us. He said to remain in the pattern and return to land and then call the tower. That is what we did next. I did not even see the jet until he had told us about it. At that point it was over 1 mi away. It had taken off runway 9R and we were on runway 4. They both meet at their departure ends. Looking back now at the situation, I can see how the busy training environment and all the radio calls were distracting for both me and the controller. The immediate 'emergency' we had on the runway probably polarized me into dealing with that problem and shutting all other things out. (During our phone call the controller said that he tried to 'cancel our clearance' when we 'bobbled off the runway,' but did not get a response.) upon debrief with the students, the pilot swears he heard that he was cleared for takeoff. The back seat student said he saw the jet in the air but did not say anything until it had already passed overhead. (The controller during our phone conversation also mentioned hearing, '...cleared or clear (something) ...,' in the backgnd on the tape, but said that he didn't say it.) a few of the other flight instructors on the frequency at the time, who came up to me afterwards to ask what happened, said they were confused when they heard the controller say that our 'clearance was canceled,' since he claims not to have given one. I guess unless I hear the tape of the event I won't know for sure. I do know that a little bit more attention to 'the big picture' of what was happening around us could have prevented the entire situation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28-161 INSTRUCTOR PLT ALLOWS AN UNAUTH TKOF FROM MLB, FL. AN NMAC WITH A DEP CHALLENGER ENSUES DURING THE INITIAL CLB.
Narrative: MYSELF IN THE R FRONT SEAT, A PVT STUDENT IN THE L FRONT SEAT AND A PVT STUDENT IN THE REAR SEAT, HAD FINISHED OUR RUNUP AND TAXIED TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE OF RWY 4 FOR TKOF. OUR FIRST CALL TO TWR WAS INTERRUPTED TWICE BY OTHER ACFT ON THE FREQ. IT WAS QUITE A BUSY EXCHANGE FOR THE CTLR, HE DID NOT SEEM ABLE TO TALK FAST ENOUGH BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE WOULD CALL IN. WHEN WE DID GET A HOLD OF HIM, WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD SHORT, WHICH WE DID. WHILE WE WAITED, I WAS REVIEWING WITH THE STUDENTS THE PROC FOR THE SOFT FIELD TKOF WE WOULD BE DOING. I HEARD THE CTLR USED, ONLY THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE THE SAME CLRNC FOR TKOF THAT WE HAD RECEIVED SO MANY TIMES BEFORE. THE STUDENT IN THE BACK SEAT WAS TALKING OVER THE INTERCOM AT THE TIME, SO I ASKED THE STUDENT CTLING THE ACFT IF WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF AND HE SAID YES. WE PROCEEDED WITH OUR TKOF ROLL AND JUST BEFORE REACHING TKOF SPD, THE STUDENT LOST DIRECTIONAL CTL. THE ACFT STARTED TO SKIP OFF THE L SIDE OF THE RWY WITH AN EXTREME NOSE HIGH ATTITUDE, WITHOUT SUFFICIENT AIRSPD TO CLB. I HAD TO WRESTLE WITH THE STUDENT WHILE ALSO YELLING TO REGAIN ENOUGH CTL TO PREVENT A GND LOOP AND/OR HITTING THE RWY LIGHTS. I MANAGED TO LOWER THE NOSE ENOUGH TO GET THE AIRSPD NEEDED TO CLB. DURING THE NEXT FEW MOMENTS OF THE CLBOUT, I WOULD GUESS FROM ABOUT 50 FT TO APPROX 300+ FT, I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM THE TWR. I THINK THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME RADIO TFC DURING OUR 'EMER,' BUT DUE TO THE URGENCY OF MY CURRENT SIT AND WORRIED ABOUT OUR ACFT AND OURSELVES, I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING ANYTHING DISCERNABLE BUT THE STALL WARNING HORN AND A JUMBLE OF DIFFERENT VOICES. AT APPROX 300-400 FT, THE CTLR CALLED US AND ASKED IF WE REALIZED THAT WE JUST TOOK OFF WITHOUT A CLRNC AND THAT WE MADE A CHALLENGER JET EXPEDITE HIS CLB TO MISS US. HE SAID TO REMAIN IN THE PATTERN AND RETURN TO LAND AND THEN CALL THE TWR. THAT IS WHAT WE DID NEXT. I DID NOT EVEN SEE THE JET UNTIL HE HAD TOLD US ABOUT IT. AT THAT POINT IT WAS OVER 1 MI AWAY. IT HAD TAKEN OFF RWY 9R AND WE WERE ON RWY 4. THEY BOTH MEET AT THEIR DEP ENDS. LOOKING BACK NOW AT THE SIT, I CAN SEE HOW THE BUSY TRAINING ENVIRONMENT AND ALL THE RADIO CALLS WERE DISTRACTING FOR BOTH ME AND THE CTLR. THE IMMEDIATE 'EMER' WE HAD ON THE RWY PROBABLY POLARIZED ME INTO DEALING WITH THAT PROB AND SHUTTING ALL OTHER THINGS OUT. (DURING OUR PHONE CALL THE CTLR SAID THAT HE TRIED TO 'CANCEL OUR CLRNC' WHEN WE 'BOBBLED OFF THE RWY,' BUT DID NOT GET A RESPONSE.) UPON DEBRIEF WITH THE STUDENTS, THE PLT SWEARS HE HEARD THAT HE WAS CLRED FOR TKOF. THE BACK SEAT STUDENT SAID HE SAW THE JET IN THE AIR BUT DID NOT SAY ANYTHING UNTIL IT HAD ALREADY PASSED OVERHEAD. (THE CTLR DURING OUR PHONE CONVERSATION ALSO MENTIONED HEARING, '...CLRED OR CLR (SOMETHING) ...,' IN THE BACKGND ON THE TAPE, BUT SAID THAT HE DIDN'T SAY IT.) A FEW OF THE OTHER FLT INSTRUCTORS ON THE FREQ AT THE TIME, WHO CAME UP TO ME AFTERWARDS TO ASK WHAT HAPPENED, SAID THEY WERE CONFUSED WHEN THEY HEARD THE CTLR SAY THAT OUR 'CLRNC WAS CANCELED,' SINCE HE CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE GIVEN ONE. I GUESS UNLESS I HEAR THE TAPE OF THE EVENT I WON'T KNOW FOR SURE. I DO KNOW THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTN TO 'THE BIG PICTURE' OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING AROUND US COULD HAVE PREVENTED THE ENTIRE SIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.