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Attributes | |
ACN | 426231 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : gfk |
State Reference | ND |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 124 flight time type : 9 |
ASRS Report | 426231 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | observation : passenger |
Qualification | other other : other |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On jan/tue/99, I received a phone call at my home from FBO where I rent their aircraft. I was told that when I flew their piper warrior on jan/sat/99 that I might have possibly made a pilot deviation from the gfk tower (class D airspace). The gfk representative told me that the tower was reviewing the tapes to see what actually was said over the radio. I was not aware of any possible pilot deviation and was advised to fill out this NASA arc 277 form. Event/situation: I did 3 touch-and-goes while apparently given clearance for a full stop landing. I was on the return portion of a pleasure flight with my wife back to gfk. I was talking to gfk approach and told them I was inbound to gfk for some touch-and-goes then a full stop. Upon getting close to the gfk airspace, I was told to contact gfk tower. I contacted tower and I feel certain I asked them for a couple of touch-and-goes, then a full stop. The tower never told me I couldn't do any touch-and-goes and the tower put me in the pattern for landing. I followed a couple of other planes to the runway. I was given clearance to land on runway 26 and I echoed back to the tower, warrior cleared to land on runway 26. I then proceeded to do my touch-and-go. The pattern was a little busy and once I was told to extend my upwind 2 mi, and once to extend the downwind which I did with no problem. Every time I had clearance to land on runway 26, and every time I echoed back to the tower, warrior cleared to land on runway 26. I just received my private pilots license 2 1/2 months ago. To stay current with my lndgs (for carrying passenger), I usually do 2-3 touch-and-goes then a full stop. In the past at gfk, when I requested to do touch-and-goes the tower sometimes says I'm cleared to land on runway xx, and sometimes they said I'm clear to do touch- and-go on runway xx. I always echo back what they say, either I'm clear to land on runway xx and then proceed to do a touch-and-go, or they'll say you're cleared to do touch- and-go and I'll echo back that I'm cleared for touch-and-go on runway xx, then proceed to do my touch-and-go. When I want a full stop, I usually tell tower that I would like to request a full stop. As usual, my wife was listening on her headsets as she always does to gain 'radio experience' for when she takes her pilots license. My wife was also under the impression that we were cleared for touch-and-goes. I wanted to clarify this possible pilot deviation (misunderstanding).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PVT PLT OF A PIPER PA28-161 WARRIOR MADE TKOF FOR A TOUCH-AND-GO LNDG WHEN TWR CTLR HAD ONLY CLRED HIM FOR A FULL STOP LNDG. HE LEARNED OF HIS MISTAKE VIA THE FBO RENTING THE ACFT IN THAT THE TWR WAS REVIEWING THE TAPES FOR CLARIFICATION AND POSSIBLE VIOLATION ACTION.
Narrative: ON JAN/TUE/99, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL AT MY HOME FROM FBO WHERE I RENT THEIR ACFT. I WAS TOLD THAT WHEN I FLEW THEIR PIPER WARRIOR ON JAN/SAT/99 THAT I MIGHT HAVE POSSIBLY MADE A PLTDEV FROM THE GFK TWR (CLASS D AIRSPACE). THE GFK REPRESENTATIVE TOLD ME THAT THE TWR WAS REVIEWING THE TAPES TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WAS SAID OVER THE RADIO. I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY POSSIBLE PLTDEV AND WAS ADVISED TO FILL OUT THIS NASA ARC 277 FORM. EVENT/SIT: I DID 3 TOUCH-AND-GOES WHILE APPARENTLY GIVEN CLRNC FOR A FULL STOP LNDG. I WAS ON THE RETURN PORTION OF A PLEASURE FLT WITH MY WIFE BACK TO GFK. I WAS TALKING TO GFK APCH AND TOLD THEM I WAS INBOUND TO GFK FOR SOME TOUCH-AND-GOES THEN A FULL STOP. UPON GETTING CLOSE TO THE GFK AIRSPACE, I WAS TOLD TO CONTACT GFK TWR. I CONTACTED TWR AND I FEEL CERTAIN I ASKED THEM FOR A COUPLE OF TOUCH-AND-GOES, THEN A FULL STOP. THE TWR NEVER TOLD ME I COULDN'T DO ANY TOUCH-AND-GOES AND THE TWR PUT ME IN THE PATTERN FOR LNDG. I FOLLOWED A COUPLE OF OTHER PLANES TO THE RWY. I WAS GIVEN CLRNC TO LAND ON RWY 26 AND I ECHOED BACK TO THE TWR, WARRIOR CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 26. I THEN PROCEEDED TO DO MY TOUCH-AND-GO. THE PATTERN WAS A LITTLE BUSY AND ONCE I WAS TOLD TO EXTEND MY UPWIND 2 MI, AND ONCE TO EXTEND THE DOWNWIND WHICH I DID WITH NO PROB. EVERY TIME I HAD CLRNC TO LAND ON RWY 26, AND EVERY TIME I ECHOED BACK TO THE TWR, WARRIOR CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 26. I JUST RECEIVED MY PVT PLTS LICENSE 2 1/2 MONTHS AGO. TO STAY CURRENT WITH MY LNDGS (FOR CARRYING PAX), I USUALLY DO 2-3 TOUCH-AND-GOES THEN A FULL STOP. IN THE PAST AT GFK, WHEN I REQUESTED TO DO TOUCH-AND-GOES THE TWR SOMETIMES SAYS I'M CLRED TO LAND ON RWY XX, AND SOMETIMES THEY SAID I'M CLR TO DO TOUCH- AND-GO ON RWY XX. I ALWAYS ECHO BACK WHAT THEY SAY, EITHER I'M CLR TO LAND ON RWY XX AND THEN PROCEED TO DO A TOUCH-AND-GO, OR THEY'LL SAY YOU'RE CLRED TO DO TOUCH- AND-GO AND I'LL ECHO BACK THAT I'M CLRED FOR TOUCH-AND-GO ON RWY XX, THEN PROCEED TO DO MY TOUCH-AND-GO. WHEN I WANT A FULL STOP, I USUALLY TELL TWR THAT I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A FULL STOP. AS USUAL, MY WIFE WAS LISTENING ON HER HEADSETS AS SHE ALWAYS DOES TO GAIN 'RADIO EXPERIENCE' FOR WHEN SHE TAKES HER PLTS LICENSE. MY WIFE WAS ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR TOUCH-AND-GOES. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS POSSIBLE PLTDEV (MISUNDERSTANDING).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.