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A flight instructor and a student taxied to the runway shortly before the tower opened and attempted to call approach control for an instrument clearance. Unable to contact anyone on the radio, they taxied back and called the tower on the phone.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 427618 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199902 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cgf.airport |
| State Reference | OH |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Weather Elements | Rain Fog |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 427618 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Prior to the tower opening at XA00 local, I had the student taxi to the end of the runway 23 for departure on a local IFR training flight. We called cleveland approach/clearance for our instrument clearance, but got no answer. We tried reaching them several times on 121.85. We made an announcement on the tower frequency 118.5 stating intentions. By the time we realized (XA01 or XA02) we were not receiving any communications from approach or tower, we returned to the ramp. I called the controller in the control tower to explain the events. He gave me warnings about moving onto active movement areas without 2-WAY communications. He explained that I was congesting the frequency with my xmissions and it appeared he was aggravated with the situation. I apologized many times and informed him I was aware of the restrs when the tower was open. I explained we did not intentionally try to cause problems and apologized some more. He seemed to settle down by the end of the conversation. There seemed to be no operational conflict.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FLT INSTRUCTOR AND A STUDENT TAXIED TO THE RWY SHORTLY BEFORE THE TWR OPENED AND ATTEMPTED TO CALL APCH CTL FOR AN INST CLRNC. UNABLE TO CONTACT ANYONE ON THE RADIO, THEY TAXIED BACK AND CALLED THE TWR ON THE PHONE.
Narrative: PRIOR TO THE TWR OPENING AT XA00 LCL, I HAD THE STUDENT TAXI TO THE END OF THE RWY 23 FOR DEP ON A LCL IFR TRAINING FLT. WE CALLED CLEVELAND APCH/CLRNC FOR OUR INST CLRNC, BUT GOT NO ANSWER. WE TRIED REACHING THEM SEVERAL TIMES ON 121.85. WE MADE AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE TWR FREQ 118.5 STATING INTENTIONS. BY THE TIME WE REALIZED (XA01 OR XA02) WE WERE NOT RECEIVING ANY COMS FROM APCH OR TWR, WE RETURNED TO THE RAMP. I CALLED THE CTLR IN THE CTL TWR TO EXPLAIN THE EVENTS. HE GAVE ME WARNINGS ABOUT MOVING ONTO ACTIVE MOVEMENT AREAS WITHOUT 2-WAY COMS. HE EXPLAINED THAT I WAS CONGESTING THE FREQ WITH MY XMISSIONS AND IT APPEARED HE WAS AGGRAVATED WITH THE SIT. I APOLOGIZED MANY TIMES AND INFORMED HIM I WAS AWARE OF THE RESTRS WHEN THE TWR WAS OPEN. I EXPLAINED WE DID NOT INTENTIONALLY TRY TO CAUSE PROBS AND APOLOGIZED SOME MORE. HE SEEMED TO SETTLE DOWN BY THE END OF THE CONVERSATION. THERE SEEMED TO BE NO OPERATIONAL CONFLICT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.