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Attributes | |
ACN | 427727 |
Time | |
Date | 199901 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : pgy.vortac |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5600 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | IAI1124/1124A/Westwind |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream II |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 19500 flight time type : 4500 |
ASRS Report | 427727 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : altitude alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
In sum: on jan/xa/99 on an IFR flight plan, while on a ferry flight from the maintenance facility at lax to home base airport mmtj, approximately 20 mi northwest of mzb VOR, I was clear to descend from 17000 ft to 9000 ft and direct to the mmtj airport. Conditions were cavu and we were talking on socal approach frequency. In the vicinity of the mzb VOR, we were further cleared to 7000 ft. Approaching pgy VOR, we heard over the frequency we were monitoring that approach was giving our position to other traffic that was flying east and that we (aircraft X) were at his 11 O'clock position. Airplane Y reported having us in sight. Approach further cleared us to descend and maintain 6000 ft and socal told us we had traffic at 2 O'clock maintaining 5000 ft. At this time I started my descent to 6000 ft. Due to the close proximity to our destination airport (mmtj), I disconnected the autoplt and began hand flying the airplane, with both myself and the first officer looking for the traffic. A few seconds went by and I inadvertently descended below my assigned altitude by 400 ft, at which time my altitude alert warned us and I immediately began to recover, while at the same time we saw the traffic becoming from 3 O'clock to 4 O'clock and 4-5 mi. Soon after that, we received a radio call from socal approach instructing us to climb back to our assigned altitude (6000 ft), telling us that we had descended below our assigned altitude and to contact mmtj approach. I contacted mmtj approach and received clearance to descend in VFR conditions to pattern altitude. After landing in mmtj we were instructed to contact socal via the telephone. I contacted them on the phone and they explained what happened. They also got my name and address. I wish to inform you that this involuntary error was not happened before in my 42 yr flying career flying in USA and in all type of airspace. One of us should have been minding the store while the other looked for traffic!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR COMMERCIAL RATED PLT FLYING A WESTWIND 1124 FROM LAX TO MMTJ DEVIATED FROM HIS ASSIGNED ALT BY ALLOWING HIS ACFT TO DSND 400 FT.
Narrative: IN SUM: ON JAN/XA/99 ON AN IFR FLT PLAN, WHILE ON A FERRY FLT FROM THE MAINT FACILITY AT LAX TO HOME BASE ARPT MMTJ, APPROX 20 MI NW OF MZB VOR, I WAS CLR TO DSND FROM 17000 FT TO 9000 FT AND DIRECT TO THE MMTJ ARPT. CONDITIONS WERE CAVU AND WE WERE TALKING ON SOCAL APCH FREQ. IN THE VICINITY OF THE MZB VOR, WE WERE FURTHER CLRED TO 7000 FT. APCHING PGY VOR, WE HEARD OVER THE FREQ WE WERE MONITORING THAT APCH WAS GIVING OUR POS TO OTHER TFC THAT WAS FLYING E AND THAT WE (ACFT X) WERE AT HIS 11 O'CLOCK POS. AIRPLANE Y RPTED HAVING US IN SIGHT. APCH FURTHER CLRED US TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 6000 FT AND SOCAL TOLD US WE HAD TFC AT 2 O'CLOCK MAINTAINING 5000 FT. AT THIS TIME I STARTED MY DSCNT TO 6000 FT. DUE TO THE CLOSE PROX TO OUR DEST ARPT (MMTJ), I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND BEGAN HAND FLYING THE AIRPLANE, WITH BOTH MYSELF AND THE FO LOOKING FOR THE TFC. A FEW SECONDS WENT BY AND I INADVERTENTLY DSNDED BELOW MY ASSIGNED ALT BY 400 FT, AT WHICH TIME MY ALT ALERT WARNED US AND I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TO RECOVER, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME WE SAW THE TFC BECOMING FROM 3 O'CLOCK TO 4 O'CLOCK AND 4-5 MI. SOON AFTER THAT, WE RECEIVED A RADIO CALL FROM SOCAL APCH INSTRUCTING US TO CLB BACK TO OUR ASSIGNED ALT (6000 FT), TELLING US THAT WE HAD DSNDED BELOW OUR ASSIGNED ALT AND TO CONTACT MMTJ APCH. I CONTACTED MMTJ APCH AND RECEIVED CLRNC TO DSND IN VFR CONDITIONS TO PATTERN ALT. AFTER LNDG IN MMTJ WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT SOCAL VIA THE TELEPHONE. I CONTACTED THEM ON THE PHONE AND THEY EXPLAINED WHAT HAPPENED. THEY ALSO GOT MY NAME AND ADDRESS. I WISH TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS INVOLUNTARY ERROR WAS NOT HAPPENED BEFORE IN MY 42 YR FLYING CAREER FLYING IN USA AND IN ALL TYPE OF AIRSPACE. ONE OF US SHOULD HAVE BEEN MINDING THE STORE WHILE THE OTHER LOOKED FOR TFC!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.