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Attributes | |
ACN | 429152 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gvl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain Ice |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Experimental |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 800 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 429152 |
Person 2 | |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : mode c other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Due to icing, I was flying, with permission, around clouds. I thought I was cleared to 16000 ft. Then I heard 'I need you at 13000 ft for traffic.' I must have been at 13500 ft. I began to descend. I had the traffic in sight. He then cleared me for FL220. Later he called me and said I broke minimums. I was circling to climb earlier to avoid icing. The controller should have told me to circle where I was. But there was no conflict anyway with traffic since I could see it anyway. Did the first controller in atlanta not tell the second one about the icing problem? Had I begun to build ice, I would have turned around immediately. Winter flying, without anti-ice is tough enough. We need the controller's help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE PVT PLT OF A LANCAIR IVP CLBED ABOVE HIS ASSIGNED ALT WHILE MANEUVERING TO AVOID CLOUDS AND ICING.
Narrative: DUE TO ICING, I WAS FLYING, WITH PERMISSION, AROUND CLOUDS. I THOUGHT I WAS CLRED TO 16000 FT. THEN I HEARD 'I NEED YOU AT 13000 FT FOR TFC.' I MUST HAVE BEEN AT 13500 FT. I BEGAN TO DSND. I HAD THE TFC IN SIGHT. HE THEN CLRED ME FOR FL220. LATER HE CALLED ME AND SAID I BROKE MINIMUMS. I WAS CIRCLING TO CLB EARLIER TO AVOID ICING. THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME TO CIRCLE WHERE I WAS. BUT THERE WAS NO CONFLICT ANYWAY WITH TFC SINCE I COULD SEE IT ANYWAY. DID THE FIRST CTLR IN ATLANTA NOT TELL THE SECOND ONE ABOUT THE ICING PROB? HAD I BEGUN TO BUILD ICE, I WOULD HAVE TURNED AROUND IMMEDIATELY. WINTER FLYING, WITHOUT ANTI-ICE IS TOUGH ENOUGH. WE NEED THE CTLR'S HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.