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Attributes | |
ACN | 429748 |
Time | |
Date | 199902 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mae.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | PA-38 Tomahawk |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 429748 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : student |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While administering a private pilot check ride, having been released from fat approach control, preparing to do air work in the vicinity of the madera airport, the incident occurred. We were flying a heading of 150 degrees and cruising at 3500 ft MSL. We were tuned to the madera unicom and watching the madera area for traffic. The applicant was going to make a right turn. I cleared the area, the applicant 'under the hood' began the turn, and cleared the area again, and then the near miss occurred. The other aircraft was on a heading of approximately 120 degrees. Both altitudes were appropriate for the direction of flight. The area was clear the first time -- I checked -- and was not just seconds later. I would not know what to recommend, since no one was negligent, altitudes were correct. Maybe there is a blind spot in the PA38 when looking right about 40 degrees from center. I don't think the C150 saw us, because he took no evasive action, and not being on the same fat frequency at that time, could not hear any communications.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC. DESIGNATED PLT EXAMINER, ADMINISTERING A PVT PLT CERTIFICATION EXAM FLT CHK, TOOK EVASIVE ACTION TO AVOID A C150 AT THE SAME ALT AND IN THEIR FLT PATH. THE STUDENT PLT BEING TESTED WAS UNDER THE HOOD FOR THE LIMITED INST FLT TESTING PROCS.
Narrative: WHILE ADMINISTERING A PVT PLT CHK RIDE, HAVING BEEN RELEASED FROM FAT APCH CTL, PREPARING TO DO AIR WORK IN THE VICINITY OF THE MADERA ARPT, THE INCIDENT OCCURRED. WE WERE FLYING A HDG OF 150 DEGS AND CRUISING AT 3500 FT MSL. WE WERE TUNED TO THE MADERA UNICOM AND WATCHING THE MADERA AREA FOR TFC. THE APPLICANT WAS GOING TO MAKE A R TURN. I CLRED THE AREA, THE APPLICANT 'UNDER THE HOOD' BEGAN THE TURN, AND CLRED THE AREA AGAIN, AND THEN THE NEAR MISS OCCURRED. THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON A HDG OF APPROX 120 DEGS. BOTH ALTS WERE APPROPRIATE FOR THE DIRECTION OF FLT. THE AREA WAS CLR THE FIRST TIME -- I CHKED -- AND WAS NOT JUST SECONDS LATER. I WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT TO RECOMMEND, SINCE NO ONE WAS NEGLIGENT, ALTS WERE CORRECT. MAYBE THERE IS A BLIND SPOT IN THE PA38 WHEN LOOKING R ABOUT 40 DEGS FROM CTR. I DON'T THINK THE C150 SAW US, BECAUSE HE TOOK NO EVASIVE ACTION, AND NOT BEING ON THE SAME FAT FREQ AT THAT TIME, COULD NOT HEAR ANY COMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.