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Attributes | |
ACN | 430256 |
Time | |
Date | 199903 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 9300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11500 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 430256 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 3000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Near midair collision. We were on the fossel 4 arrival into phx and had passed tonto (pxr 015 degree radial 34 DME) and been cleared to 8000 ft, to slow to 210 KTS at 10000 ft. We were given a heading of 170 degrees and had slowed to 210 KTS and started our descent out of 10000 ft. Shortly after I (captain) saw an aircraft at our 1:30 O'clock position and pointed it out to the first officer who was flying. He saw the aircraft and acknowledged. The aircraft at first appeared to be a B737 or an A320 (climbing or level around 8000 ft) coming out of phoenix. The aircraft appeared to be about 1000 ft below and could have been level or in a slight climb. But almost immediately I recognized it as a much smaller aircraft (some type of light twin, possibly turboprop) and it now appeared about 500 ft below. The first officer was flying and I moved my hands to the controls in order to take control if necessary. The other aircraft passed around 300 ft below us. At no time did I feel like he would hit us. However, he did pass closer than I believed he would initially. My guess is the other aircraft was about 1 mi away when we first saw him and the total time less than 10 seconds. After he passed, we called approach and told him of the near miss. He (the controller) said he had a blind spot about there and then almost immediately said he had a primary target 3 mi behind us. He asked us information on the altitude of the other aircraft, type aircraft and altitude between us (of the miss). The controller did not have an IFR squawk and was not talking to the aircraft. There was no TCASII RA's or warnings from the TCASII. All exterior lights were on including outboard landing lights. There was no evasive action from the other aircraft and no indication that he saw us. Preventive action: continue to emphasize visual lookout -- why this aircraft was where he was and no one knew it should be of concern to us all, but I'm sure it will happen again. Had I had to react, it probably would have been fairly violent and I am afraid one or more of the flight attendants (who would have been up moving through the aisles) may have been hurt (or possibly small children) (seatbelt signs were on). Contributing factors: time of day (dusk) and reduced visibility/perception. Position of aircraft and altitude was very similar to our departures from phx, ie, larger air carrier aircraft on normal departure. Our own descent (approximately 1000 FPM) and possible initial impression that the other aircraft was level, very short time left after realizing the other aircraft was smaller and closer than initially thought.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DSNDING B737-300 IN CLASS B AIRSPACE N OF PHX HAS AN NMAC WITH XING TFC THAT APPARENTLY HAD NO XPONDER IN OP.
Narrative: NMAC. WE WERE ON THE FOSSEL 4 ARR INTO PHX AND HAD PASSED TONTO (PXR 015 DEG RADIAL 34 DME) AND BEEN CLRED TO 8000 FT, TO SLOW TO 210 KTS AT 10000 FT. WE WERE GIVEN A HDG OF 170 DEGS AND HAD SLOWED TO 210 KTS AND STARTED OUR DSCNT OUT OF 10000 FT. SHORTLY AFTER I (CAPT) SAW AN ACFT AT OUR 1:30 O'CLOCK POS AND POINTED IT OUT TO THE FO WHO WAS FLYING. HE SAW THE ACFT AND ACKNOWLEDGED. THE ACFT AT FIRST APPEARED TO BE A B737 OR AN A320 (CLBING OR LEVEL AROUND 8000 FT) COMING OUT OF PHOENIX. THE ACFT APPEARED TO BE ABOUT 1000 FT BELOW AND COULD HAVE BEEN LEVEL OR IN A SLIGHT CLB. BUT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY I RECOGNIZED IT AS A MUCH SMALLER ACFT (SOME TYPE OF LIGHT TWIN, POSSIBLY TURBOPROP) AND IT NOW APPEARED ABOUT 500 FT BELOW. THE FO WAS FLYING AND I MOVED MY HANDS TO THE CTLS IN ORDER TO TAKE CTL IF NECESSARY. THE OTHER ACFT PASSED AROUND 300 FT BELOW US. AT NO TIME DID I FEEL LIKE HE WOULD HIT US. HOWEVER, HE DID PASS CLOSER THAN I BELIEVED HE WOULD INITIALLY. MY GUESS IS THE OTHER ACFT WAS ABOUT 1 MI AWAY WHEN WE FIRST SAW HIM AND THE TOTAL TIME LESS THAN 10 SECONDS. AFTER HE PASSED, WE CALLED APCH AND TOLD HIM OF THE NEAR MISS. HE (THE CTLR) SAID HE HAD A BLIND SPOT ABOUT THERE AND THEN ALMOST IMMEDIATELY SAID HE HAD A PRIMARY TARGET 3 MI BEHIND US. HE ASKED US INFO ON THE ALT OF THE OTHER ACFT, TYPE ACFT AND ALT BTWN US (OF THE MISS). THE CTLR DID NOT HAVE AN IFR SQUAWK AND WAS NOT TALKING TO THE ACFT. THERE WAS NO TCASII RA'S OR WARNINGS FROM THE TCASII. ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTS WERE ON INCLUDING OUTBOARD LNDG LIGHTS. THERE WAS NO EVASIVE ACTION FROM THE OTHER ACFT AND NO INDICATION THAT HE SAW US. PREVENTIVE ACTION: CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE VISUAL LOOKOUT -- WHY THIS ACFT WAS WHERE HE WAS AND NO ONE KNEW IT SHOULD BE OF CONCERN TO US ALL, BUT I'M SURE IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. HAD I HAD TO REACT, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN FAIRLY VIOLENT AND I AM AFRAID ONE OR MORE OF THE FLT ATTENDANTS (WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN UP MOVING THROUGH THE AISLES) MAY HAVE BEEN HURT (OR POSSIBLY SMALL CHILDREN) (SEATBELT SIGNS WERE ON). CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: TIME OF DAY (DUSK) AND REDUCED VISIBILITY/PERCEPTION. POS OF ACFT AND ALT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR DEPS FROM PHX, IE, LARGER ACR ACFT ON NORMAL DEP. OUR OWN DSCNT (APPROX 1000 FPM) AND POSSIBLE INITIAL IMPRESSION THAT THE OTHER ACFT WAS LEVEL, VERY SHORT TIME LEFT AFTER REALIZING THE OTHER ACFT WAS SMALLER AND CLOSER THAN INITIALLY THOUGHT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.