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Attributes | |
ACN | 430840 |
Time | |
Date | 199903 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zse.artcc |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl single value : 16800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : chins 2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 430840 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While descending on the chins 2 STAR into sea, we were cleared to descend to FL230. After leveling at FL230 and now 13 mi from snomy, we were told to cross snomy at 16000 ft. Approximately 5 mi from snomy in an idle power, 310 KT speed brakes extended confign, I asked the captain to get relief from the altitude restr because we could not make it. He instructed me to increase speed 20 KTS and it should make it. (This was an IOE chkout for me.) at 1.5 mi prior to snomy, we tried to call but radio calls from other aircraft prevented contact with ZSE. We crossed snomy at 16800 ft. Nothing was mentioned by ZSE and we were sent to arrival at that time. Causes: 1) late descent by center for the restr. 2) pilots not requesting relief earlier. 3) pilots accepting the clearance knowing we were too high.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR FLC DSNDING INTO SEA FAILED TO MEET THE ALT XING RESTR ON THE STAR.
Narrative: WHILE DSNDING ON THE CHINS 2 STAR INTO SEA, WE WERE CLRED TO DSND TO FL230. AFTER LEVELING AT FL230 AND NOW 13 MI FROM SNOMY, WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS SNOMY AT 16000 FT. APPROX 5 MI FROM SNOMY IN AN IDLE PWR, 310 KT SPD BRAKES EXTENDED CONFIGN, I ASKED THE CAPT TO GET RELIEF FROM THE ALT RESTR BECAUSE WE COULD NOT MAKE IT. HE INSTRUCTED ME TO INCREASE SPD 20 KTS AND IT SHOULD MAKE IT. (THIS WAS AN IOE CHKOUT FOR ME.) AT 1.5 MI PRIOR TO SNOMY, WE TRIED TO CALL BUT RADIO CALLS FROM OTHER ACFT PREVENTED CONTACT WITH ZSE. WE CROSSED SNOMY AT 16800 FT. NOTHING WAS MENTIONED BY ZSE AND WE WERE SENT TO ARR AT THAT TIME. CAUSES: 1) LATE DSCNT BY CTR FOR THE RESTR. 2) PLTS NOT REQUESTING RELIEF EARLIER. 3) PLTS ACCEPTING THE CLRNC KNOWING WE WERE TOO HIGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.