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Attributes | |
ACN | 431736 |
Time | |
Date | 199903 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : abq.airport |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl single value : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Fog Snow |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : abq.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 3 other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : abq.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 3 |
Flight Phase | landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 13000 |
ASRS Report | 431736 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7500 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 431939 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
The WX in abq was 2 mi overcast, 1/2 mi snow, mist, fog. We were flying the ILS, runway 3 and were advised that there was traffic off to our right at approximately 2 mi. We were cleared to land. We received a TCASII TA from the traffic (TCASII alerted once) and landed without incident, breaking out at minimums. Once clear of the runway, ground gave me the phone number for the tower and asked me to call. When I called, the tower supervisor asked if I had heard the controller tell me to abandon the approach and turn left. I did not hear any instructions to abandon the approach and so informed the supervisor. She said that she assumed that we did not hear the instructions, since we did not acknowledge and did not comply. She said there had been a small aircraft on approach in front of us who had missed the approach and turned too far to the south on missed approach, causing a conflict with my aircraft. She also said that the tower had committed an 'operational error.' when I got back to my aircraft, I asked my first officer if he had heard the abandon approach instructions, and he said no. After the next leg, when I arrived in phx, an agent informed me that I needed to call the tower in abq. I spoke with another tower supervisor who informed me that there was not an 'operational error' after all. They had reviewed the tape and said that the controller may not have put our call sign at the beginning of his transmission to abandon, and that his instructions were rather rambling so that by the time he had completed the instructions, the other aircraft was past and above us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-300 CREW RECEIVED TA AND TCASII TA ON FINAL APCH.
Narrative: THE WX IN ABQ WAS 2 MI OVCST, 1/2 MI SNOW, MIST, FOG. WE WERE FLYING THE ILS, RWY 3 AND WERE ADVISED THAT THERE WAS TFC OFF TO OUR R AT APPROX 2 MI. WE WERE CLRED TO LAND. WE RECEIVED A TCASII TA FROM THE TFC (TCASII ALERTED ONCE) AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT, BREAKING OUT AT MINIMUMS. ONCE CLR OF THE RWY, GND GAVE ME THE PHONE NUMBER FOR THE TWR AND ASKED ME TO CALL. WHEN I CALLED, THE TWR SUPVR ASKED IF I HAD HEARD THE CTLR TELL ME TO ABANDON THE APCH AND TURN L. I DID NOT HEAR ANY INSTRUCTIONS TO ABANDON THE APCH AND SO INFORMED THE SUPVR. SHE SAID THAT SHE ASSUMED THAT WE DID NOT HEAR THE INSTRUCTIONS, SINCE WE DID NOT ACKNOWLEDGE AND DID NOT COMPLY. SHE SAID THERE HAD BEEN A SMALL ACFT ON APCH IN FRONT OF US WHO HAD MISSED THE APCH AND TURNED TOO FAR TO THE S ON MISSED APCH, CAUSING A CONFLICT WITH MY ACFT. SHE ALSO SAID THAT THE TWR HAD COMMITTED AN 'OPERROR.' WHEN I GOT BACK TO MY ACFT, I ASKED MY FO IF HE HAD HEARD THE ABANDON APCH INSTRUCTIONS, AND HE SAID NO. AFTER THE NEXT LEG, WHEN I ARRIVED IN PHX, AN AGENT INFORMED ME THAT I NEEDED TO CALL THE TWR IN ABQ. I SPOKE WITH ANOTHER TWR SUPVR WHO INFORMED ME THAT THERE WAS NOT AN 'OPERROR' AFTER ALL. THEY HAD REVIEWED THE TAPE AND SAID THAT THE CTLR MAY NOT HAVE PUT OUR CALL SIGN AT THE BEGINNING OF HIS XMISSION TO ABANDON, AND THAT HIS INSTRUCTIONS WERE RATHER RAMBLING SO THAT BY THE TIME HE HAD COMPLETED THE INSTRUCTIONS, THE OTHER ACFT WAS PAST AND ABOVE US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.