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Attributes | |
ACN | 433008 |
Time | |
Date | 199904 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sav.vortac |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sav.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v3.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sav.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v3.airway |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 278 flight time type : 120 |
ASRS Report | 433008 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
While on an IFR flight plan cruising at 9000 ft on V-3, 45 DME south of sav, sav approach ordered a hold at 50 DME south on V-3 at 9000 ft, left pattern. I did not question the need to reverse course to go back to 50 DME. I rolled left, to return to 50 DME, so that I'd be set up for a direct entry. I scanned for traffic during the turn, but after the turn my attention was on resetting the GPS and VOR to intercept the fix and enter the hold. After several seconds watching the instruments, I looked outside just as a cessna passed us head-on at exactly our altitude about 200 ft off our right wing. He was straight and level, so I assume he had not seen us either. When I told sav approach about the near hit, he said he was sorry, the airplane had been 'back there at 8900 ft for quite awhile.' I had reset my altimeter a few mins earlier upon advisory from ZJX, so I know it was accurate (reading 8980 ft MSL at the time of the incident). The controller was distracted by the hold order sent to him by ZJX. He had given holds to 2 other aircraft before us. I was distracted by the interruption of my routine and resetting instruments. In the future, I'll never accept a course change without asking ATC if there is traffic where they are sending me. Our closure rate was so fast that I doubt if I'd have had time to evade even at first possible sight. I feel the sav approach controller needs refresher training. Besides not issuing a TA, his phraseology was non-standard and other pilot questioning his instructions due to being unable to understand him.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 ISSUED HOLDING BY SAV APCH CTL COMES INTO CONFLICT WHEN REVERSING COURSE ON V3 WITH ANOTHER CESSNA.
Narrative: WHILE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN CRUISING AT 9000 FT ON V-3, 45 DME S OF SAV, SAV APCH ORDERED A HOLD AT 50 DME S ON V-3 AT 9000 FT, L PATTERN. I DID NOT QUESTION THE NEED TO REVERSE COURSE TO GO BACK TO 50 DME. I ROLLED L, TO RETURN TO 50 DME, SO THAT I'D BE SET UP FOR A DIRECT ENTRY. I SCANNED FOR TFC DURING THE TURN, BUT AFTER THE TURN MY ATTN WAS ON RESETTING THE GPS AND VOR TO INTERCEPT THE FIX AND ENTER THE HOLD. AFTER SEVERAL SECONDS WATCHING THE INSTS, I LOOKED OUTSIDE JUST AS A CESSNA PASSED US HEAD-ON AT EXACTLY OUR ALT ABOUT 200 FT OFF OUR R WING. HE WAS STRAIGHT AND LEVEL, SO I ASSUME HE HAD NOT SEEN US EITHER. WHEN I TOLD SAV APCH ABOUT THE NEAR HIT, HE SAID HE WAS SORRY, THE AIRPLANE HAD BEEN 'BACK THERE AT 8900 FT FOR QUITE AWHILE.' I HAD RESET MY ALTIMETER A FEW MINS EARLIER UPON ADVISORY FROM ZJX, SO I KNOW IT WAS ACCURATE (READING 8980 FT MSL AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT). THE CTLR WAS DISTRACTED BY THE HOLD ORDER SENT TO HIM BY ZJX. HE HAD GIVEN HOLDS TO 2 OTHER ACFT BEFORE US. I WAS DISTRACTED BY THE INTERRUPTION OF MY ROUTINE AND RESETTING INSTS. IN THE FUTURE, I'LL NEVER ACCEPT A COURSE CHANGE WITHOUT ASKING ATC IF THERE IS TFC WHERE THEY ARE SENDING ME. OUR CLOSURE RATE WAS SO FAST THAT I DOUBT IF I'D HAVE HAD TIME TO EVADE EVEN AT FIRST POSSIBLE SIGHT. I FEEL THE SAV APCH CTLR NEEDS REFRESHER TRAINING. BESIDES NOT ISSUING A TA, HIS PHRASEOLOGY WAS NON-STANDARD AND OTHER PLT QUESTIONING HIS INSTRUCTIONS DUE TO BEING UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND HIM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.