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A departing DC8 freighter turns before he reaches 1500 ft as per clearance from lert military facility tower, first officer.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 433656 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199903 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lert.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : lert.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 433656 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : private pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 10000 |
| ASRS Report | 432120 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Navigational Facility Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Airport |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for right turn to vjf VOR passing 1500 ft. As we were cleared for takeoff, we were advised there was a thunderstorm at the end of runway 10. We looked at it on radar and advised we would need a turn to right or left, his choice. We started the roll, and he advised to hold position. We advised him we were rolling and then we aborted the takeoff and advised the tower. We then were cleared back to the runway on the parallel taxiway. This is when we got the second clearance to turn right to vjr VOR passing 1500 ft. We then started the takeoff again. The thunderstorm cell was showing red on our radar, so at approximately 1000 ft we started a right turn to avoid the cell. We were approximately 1800 ft when we rolled out on the heading to vjf VOR. We were advised by the tower that we had violated spanish helicopter airspace. There seemed to be some confusion in the tower all during this operation, possibly some training taking place, but we considered this a safety of flight issue. Supplemental information from acn 432120: many clarifications had to be requested to get a SID that did not require a TACAN. I have requested the audio tapes of the entire event be saved by rota NAS tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DEPARTING DC8 FREIGHTER TURNS BEFORE HE REACHES 1500 FT AS PER CLRNC FROM LERT MIL FACILITY TWR, FO.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR R TURN TO VJF VOR PASSING 1500 FT. AS WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF, WE WERE ADVISED THERE WAS A TSTM AT THE END OF RWY 10. WE LOOKED AT IT ON RADAR AND ADVISED WE WOULD NEED A TURN TO R OR L, HIS CHOICE. WE STARTED THE ROLL, AND HE ADVISED TO HOLD POS. WE ADVISED HIM WE WERE ROLLING AND THEN WE ABORTED THE TKOF AND ADVISED THE TWR. WE THEN WERE CLRED BACK TO THE RWY ON THE PARALLEL TXWY. THIS IS WHEN WE GOT THE SECOND CLRNC TO TURN R TO VJR VOR PASSING 1500 FT. WE THEN STARTED THE TKOF AGAIN. THE TSTM CELL WAS SHOWING RED ON OUR RADAR, SO AT APPROX 1000 FT WE STARTED A R TURN TO AVOID THE CELL. WE WERE APPROX 1800 FT WHEN WE ROLLED OUT ON THE HDG TO VJF VOR. WE WERE ADVISED BY THE TWR THAT WE HAD VIOLATED SPANISH HELI AIRSPACE. THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME CONFUSION IN THE TWR ALL DURING THIS OP, POSSIBLY SOME TRAINING TAKING PLACE, BUT WE CONSIDERED THIS A SAFETY OF FLT ISSUE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 432120: MANY CLARIFICATIONS HAD TO BE REQUESTED TO GET A SID THAT DID NOT REQUIRE A TACAN. I HAVE REQUESTED THE AUDIO TAPES OF THE ENTIRE EVENT BE SAVED BY ROTA NAS TWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.