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A first officer's report on his company's policy of reinstating the lahso operations for runways 27L and 22R for all aircraft including the B777's at ord, il.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 435193 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199904 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-11 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | landing : roll landing : hold short |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| ASRS Report | 435193 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Company Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
| Primary Problem | Company |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : ord.tower |
Narrative:
I just found in my flight paperwork that company has again approved lahso to ord runway 27L, 6500 ft, and ord runway 22R, 6050 ft for most aircraft. This is an unwise and unsafe decision and it is a matter of time before we see an incident -- or worse -- a ground collision. To include the B777 in the renewed operations further increases the risk of an incident as most pilots are still training or have very low time in type. I strongly recommend an immediate return to the previous 8000 ft lahso limits on all aircraft types. The lahso near collisions within the last yr or so -- one of them us -- justify a conservative approach to this dangerous problem. FYI: as of this spring, airline Y and airline Z -- whose pilots have substantial time in type -- are embargoing the program. The recent ZZZ incident highlights the dangers of putting aircraft on collision courses, and we do not need this program.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FO'S RPT ON HIS COMPANY'S POLICY OF REINSTATING THE LAHSO OPS FOR RWYS 27L AND 22R FOR ALL ACFT INCLUDING THE B777'S AT ORD, IL.
Narrative: I JUST FOUND IN MY FLT PAPERWORK THAT COMPANY HAS AGAIN APPROVED LAHSO TO ORD RWY 27L, 6500 FT, AND ORD RWY 22R, 6050 FT FOR MOST ACFT. THIS IS AN UNWISE AND UNSAFE DECISION AND IT IS A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE SEE AN INCIDENT -- OR WORSE -- A GND COLLISION. TO INCLUDE THE B777 IN THE RENEWED OPS FURTHER INCREASES THE RISK OF AN INCIDENT AS MOST PLTS ARE STILL TRAINING OR HAVE VERY LOW TIME IN TYPE. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND AN IMMEDIATE RETURN TO THE PREVIOUS 8000 FT LAHSO LIMITS ON ALL ACFT TYPES. THE LAHSO NEAR COLLISIONS WITHIN THE LAST YR OR SO -- ONE OF THEM US -- JUSTIFY A CONSERVATIVE APCH TO THIS DANGEROUS PROB. FYI: AS OF THIS SPRING, AIRLINE Y AND AIRLINE Z -- WHOSE PLTS HAVE SUBSTANTIAL TIME IN TYPE -- ARE EMBARGOING THE PROGRAM. THE RECENT ZZZ INCIDENT HIGHLIGHTS THE DANGERS OF PUTTING ACFT ON COLLISION COURSES, AND WE DO NOT NEED THIS PROGRAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.