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Attributes | |
ACN | 435204 |
Time | |
Date | 199904 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : unv.airport |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : other published ifr departure |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 435204 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were departing unv runway 6. Our clearance from ZNY was runway heading and 4000 ft and direct psb VOR. We took off behind a GA traffic (warrior or similar). After takeoff, we observed that we were gaining on the warrior so I decided to turn 10-20 degrees left of course to keep the warrior in sight and give ourselves a safe distance for clearance from the warrior. During the climb out, we were the only airplane transmitting on 122.8 MHZ, which is the unicom frequency for unv on N96 (bellafonte airport). Nobody was giving position reports or advisories except for us. On TCASII we were only showing the warrior slightly off the right side climbing slowly. At about 1000-1500 ft AGL and with a rate of climb of about 1500 FPM, we heard a transmission on that frequency that stated something similar to this: 'hey guys, you are going to run into me.' my first officer said I started to look for him and also monitor TCASII, but he was nowhere to be found. So my first officer said 'sir, say position and altitude, we are heading northeast of unv at 3000 ft.' and the traffic answered, 'I'm on final.' we never established visual contact, contacted the center and we were given a right turn direct to har VOR. Somebody on unicom frequency mentioned right traffic for runway 6, but we were on runway heading to avoid the warrior. I believe that the conflict would have been avoided if that person would have used the radios the way the aim recommends and add a little professionalism on his communication phraseology and procedures. He did not give us a chance to avoid him. After contacting center nobody mentioned anything and the flight was uneventful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A BAE3100 ON INITIAL CLBOUT FROM AN UNCTLED ARPT HEARD ANOTHER PLT ON UNICOM YELL OUT THAT ANOTHER ACFT WAS GOING TO RUN INTO HIM. HE SUBSEQUENTLY STATED THAT HE WAS ON FINAL. THE RPTR DID NOT SEE ANOTHER ACFT IN ADDITION TO THE ONE THEY KNEW OF, ON TCASII OR VISUALLY.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING UNV RWY 6. OUR CLRNC FROM ZNY WAS RWY HDG AND 4000 FT AND DIRECT PSB VOR. WE TOOK OFF BEHIND A GA TFC (WARRIOR OR SIMILAR). AFTER TKOF, WE OBSERVED THAT WE WERE GAINING ON THE WARRIOR SO I DECIDED TO TURN 10-20 DEGS L OF COURSE TO KEEP THE WARRIOR IN SIGHT AND GIVE OURSELVES A SAFE DISTANCE FOR CLRNC FROM THE WARRIOR. DURING THE CLBOUT, WE WERE THE ONLY AIRPLANE XMITTING ON 122.8 MHZ, WHICH IS THE UNICOM FREQ FOR UNV ON N96 (BELLAFONTE ARPT). NOBODY WAS GIVING POS RPTS OR ADVISORIES EXCEPT FOR US. ON TCASII WE WERE ONLY SHOWING THE WARRIOR SLIGHTLY OFF THE R SIDE CLBING SLOWLY. AT ABOUT 1000-1500 FT AGL AND WITH A RATE OF CLB OF ABOUT 1500 FPM, WE HEARD A XMISSION ON THAT FREQ THAT STATED SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS: 'HEY GUYS, YOU ARE GOING TO RUN INTO ME.' MY FO SAID I STARTED TO LOOK FOR HIM AND ALSO MONITOR TCASII, BUT HE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. SO MY FO SAID 'SIR, SAY POS AND ALT, WE ARE HDG NE OF UNV AT 3000 FT.' AND THE TFC ANSWERED, 'I'M ON FINAL.' WE NEVER ESTABLISHED VISUAL CONTACT, CONTACTED THE CTR AND WE WERE GIVEN A R TURN DIRECT TO HAR VOR. SOMEBODY ON UNICOM FREQ MENTIONED R TFC FOR RWY 6, BUT WE WERE ON RWY HDG TO AVOID THE WARRIOR. I BELIEVE THAT THE CONFLICT WOULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE USED THE RADIOS THE WAY THE AIM RECOMMENDS AND ADD A LITTLE PROFESSIONALISM ON HIS COM PHRASEOLOGY AND PROCS. HE DID NOT GIVE US A CHANCE TO AVOID HIM. AFTER CONTACTING CTR NOBODY MENTIONED ANYTHING AND THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.