MD80 flight crew stopped at incorrect hold line at lga.

Attributes
ACN	435218
Time
Date	199904
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga.airport
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : lga.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : lga.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 4
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : visual
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	435218
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	435219
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Airport Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

After pushing 30 mins late, we taxied to runway 4. We were #2 for takeoff holding behind a DHC8, behind the ILS hold short line. We thought the previous jet aircraft had held short at the B4 line. We were watching spacing on final for runway 4 and realized we would not have much time to taxi into position which is the norm at lga. The captain released the brake and started to taxi up to the B4 hold line as the MD80 was approaching on final. The WX was good VFR and we felt we could go up to the B4 hold short. As the captain began to taxi, he asked if I thought it was ok and if I noticed anything on the ATIS about the hold short lines. Tower directed the aircraft on final to go around as we approached the B4 hold line. Tower mentioned nothing about our error. At departure time trying to push as soon as possible, not reading the ATIS to the last line VFR WX, we let our guard down and became rushed when we should not have.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 FLC STOPPED AT INCORRECT HOLD LINE AT LGA.

Narrative: AFTER PUSHING 30 MINS LATE, WE TAXIED TO RWY 4. WE WERE #2 FOR TKOF HOLDING BEHIND A DHC8, BEHIND THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE. WE THOUGHT THE PREVIOUS JET ACFT HAD HELD SHORT AT THE B4 LINE. WE WERE WATCHING SPACING ON FINAL FOR RWY 4 AND REALIZED WE WOULD NOT HAVE MUCH TIME TO TAXI INTO POS WHICH IS THE NORM AT LGA. THE CAPT RELEASED THE BRAKE AND STARTED TO TAXI UP TO THE B4 HOLD LINE AS THE MD80 WAS APCHING ON FINAL. THE WX WAS GOOD VFR AND WE FELT WE COULD GO UP TO THE B4 HOLD SHORT. AS THE CAPT BEGAN TO TAXI, HE ASKED IF I THOUGHT IT WAS OK AND IF I NOTICED ANYTHING ON THE ATIS ABOUT THE HOLD SHORT LINES. TWR DIRECTED THE ACFT ON FINAL TO GO AROUND AS WE APCHED THE B4 HOLD LINE. TWR MENTIONED NOTHING ABOUT OUR ERROR. AT DEP TIME TRYING TO PUSH ASAP, NOT READING THE ATIS TO THE LAST LINE VFR WX, WE LET OUR GUARD DOWN AND BECAME RUSHED WHEN WE SHOULD NOT HAVE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.