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Attributes | |
ACN | 436746 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : den.vor |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc tower : shv.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 436746 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1707 |
ASRS Report | 436739 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist flight crew : landed in emergency condition none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Flight from lax to jfk, aircraft lost first officer pitot heat. Divert to den due to possible icing in jfk and ord. Descending into denver from the south. Controllers were extremely helpful as we were required to remain VMC. They usually answered with 'whatever you need.' altitudes and headings were approved as we requested. We checked in with controller at 17000 ft, and acknowledged. We needed 16000 ft due to clouds ahead. We made the request 2 to 3 times without an answer. After a few mins when we were forced to descend, we got the controller and told him we were passing 16500 ft. We were about to declare an emergency when he told us we were not cleared out of 17000 ft and he gave us a different frequency. The next controller knew our situation and pretty much gave us 'whatever we needed.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR'S ACFT LOST FO'S PITOT HEAT, WAS GIVEN LOWER ALT BY ATC. ATC DID NOT RESPOND FOR WHATEVER REASON TO THEIR REQUEST FOR A MUCH LOWER ALT. ACFT STARTED DSCNT TO NEXT LOWER ALT WITHOUT CLRNC TO AVOID CLOUDS.
Narrative: FLT FROM LAX TO JFK, ACFT LOST FO PITOT HEAT. DIVERT TO DEN DUE TO POSSIBLE ICING IN JFK AND ORD. DSNDING INTO DENVER FROM THE S. CTLRS WERE EXTREMELY HELPFUL AS WE WERE REQUIRED TO REMAIN VMC. THEY USUALLY ANSWERED WITH 'WHATEVER YOU NEED.' ALTS AND HEADINGS WERE APPROVED AS WE REQUESTED. WE CHKED IN WITH CTLR AT 17000 FT, AND ACKNOWLEDGED. WE NEEDED 16000 FT DUE TO CLOUDS AHEAD. WE MADE THE REQUEST 2 TO 3 TIMES WITHOUT AN ANSWER. AFTER A FEW MINS WHEN WE WERE FORCED TO DSND, WE GOT THE CTLR AND TOLD HIM WE WERE PASSING 16500 FT. WE WERE ABOUT TO DECLARE AN EMER WHEN HE TOLD US WE WERE NOT CLRED OUT OF 17000 FT AND HE GAVE US A DIFFERENT FREQ. THE NEXT CTLR KNEW OUR SIT AND PRETTY MUCH GAVE US 'WHATEVER WE NEEDED.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.