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A DC9 flight crew flies through the runway 26R localizer while the PIC is making judgement calls on the first officer's use of wing flaps.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 437850 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199905 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 5000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 26r |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 4150 flight time type : 880 |
| ASRS Report | 437850 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : separated traffic |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Our clearance was to fly heading 230 degrees to intercept the runway 26R localizer, maintain 5000 ft until established on the localizer, cleared for the approach. At the time we received the clearance, we were also descending from 7000 ft to maintain 5000 ft. As we were leveling, I called for 15 degrees of flaps. After selecting the flaps, the captain asked me why I wanted to put 15 degrees flaps out so far from the airport. I felt pressure to answer him and before I knew it we got a TA and were told to cancel approach clearance and turn to 360 degrees for traffic. As this was happening, I saw that we had flown through the runway 26R localizer during our discussion. The captain then took the airplane and turned to 360 degrees, after which we were given a new approach clearance. The captain gave the airplane back to me and we landed without further incident. Nothing was said by the controller. I feel that the captain used poor judgement by initiating conversation below 10000 ft while during an instrument approach. I also used poor judgement by going along with the conversation. Some factors were: #1 captain on seniority list, first trip together, familiar airport, and captain not paying attention to his first officer!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DC9 FLC FLIES THROUGH THE RWY 26R LOC WHILE THE PIC IS MAKING JUDGEMENT CALLS ON THE FO'S USE OF WING FLAPS.
Narrative: OUR CLRNC WAS TO FLY HDG 230 DEGS TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 26R LOC, MAINTAIN 5000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC, CLRED FOR THE APCH. AT THE TIME WE RECEIVED THE CLRNC, WE WERE ALSO DSNDING FROM 7000 FT TO MAINTAIN 5000 FT. AS WE WERE LEVELING, I CALLED FOR 15 DEGS OF FLAPS. AFTER SELECTING THE FLAPS, THE CAPT ASKED ME WHY I WANTED TO PUT 15 DEGS FLAPS OUT SO FAR FROM THE ARPT. I FELT PRESSURE TO ANSWER HIM AND BEFORE I KNEW IT WE GOT A TA AND WERE TOLD TO CANCEL APCH CLRNC AND TURN TO 360 DEGS FOR TFC. AS THIS WAS HAPPENING, I SAW THAT WE HAD FLOWN THROUGH THE RWY 26R LOC DURING OUR DISCUSSION. THE CAPT THEN TOOK THE AIRPLANE AND TURNED TO 360 DEGS, AFTER WHICH WE WERE GIVEN A NEW APCH CLRNC. THE CAPT GAVE THE AIRPLANE BACK TO ME AND WE LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. NOTHING WAS SAID BY THE CTLR. I FEEL THAT THE CAPT USED POOR JUDGEMENT BY INITIATING CONVERSATION BELOW 10000 FT WHILE DURING AN INST APCH. I ALSO USED POOR JUDGEMENT BY GOING ALONG WITH THE CONVERSATION. SOME FACTORS WERE: #1 CAPT ON SENIORITY LIST, FIRST TRIP TOGETHER, FAMILIAR ARPT, AND CAPT NOT PAYING ATTN TO HIS FO!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.