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Attributes | |
ACN | 437931 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-8 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 15800 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 437931 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact none taken : unable |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Company |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Hazmat (infectious substance) loaded in 8 different containers on the main deck of the aircraft as opposed to the belly cargo as recommended (but not mandatory) by XXX. It would seem that since this material is cargo aircraft only and cannot be shipped with food products that in the interest of safety for the crews it should only be in the belly cargo compartment and not where the pressurization can potentially circulate it to the crew if a spill occurs. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter states that he and other very concerned flight crew members in conjunction with the pilot union have been instrumental in getting the air carrier policy changed to something less than the full compliance desired. Now, the policy is to place such infectious materials in the belly pits whenever possible. He says this policy is working fairly well in practice in that all but 3 or 4 outlying stations comply with the new policy. However, these few stations steadfastly disregard and sidestep the policy in the 'name of on-time departures.' he further states that the flight crew's only protection from a hazmat spill would be to don the oxygen masks and be on 100% oxygen. The specific type of hazmat for this reported incident is not known. The reporter states that it would most likely be hiv positive blood samples or hepatitis B/C. The reporter remains extremely aware and concerned that an incident would result in constant and total exposure to a flight crew as the cabin air is being constantly recirculated through the cockpit ventilation system. He is also concerned that the non TCASII cargo operation might further aggravate the situation by causing a spill during an aggressive evasion maneuver brought about by this missing safety tool. The reporter does not hold much hope for total compliance as long as there are no mandated FAA regulations or policies in this arena.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR EXPRESSES SERIOUS CONCERN OVER ACR POLICY TO CARRY INFECTIOUS HAZMAT ON MAIN DECK INSTEAD OF IN A MORE SECURE CARGO COMPARTMENT.
Narrative: HAZMAT (INFECTIOUS SUBSTANCE) LOADED IN 8 DIFFERENT CONTAINERS ON THE MAIN DECK OF THE ACFT AS OPPOSED TO THE BELLY CARGO AS RECOMMENDED (BUT NOT MANDATORY) BY XXX. IT WOULD SEEM THAT SINCE THIS MATERIAL IS CARGO ACFT ONLY AND CANNOT BE SHIPPED WITH FOOD PRODUCTS THAT IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY FOR THE CREWS IT SHOULD ONLY BE IN THE BELLY CARGO COMPARTMENT AND NOT WHERE THE PRESSURIZATION CAN POTENTIALLY CIRCULATE IT TO THE CREW IF A SPILL OCCURS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR STATES THAT HE AND OTHER VERY CONCERNED FLC MEMBERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PLT UNION HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE ACR POLICY CHANGED TO SOMETHING LESS THAN THE FULL COMPLIANCE DESIRED. NOW, THE POLICY IS TO PLACE SUCH INFECTIOUS MATERIALS IN THE BELLY PITS WHENEVER POSSIBLE. HE SAYS THIS POLICY IS WORKING FAIRLY WELL IN PRACTICE IN THAT ALL BUT 3 OR 4 OUTLYING STATIONS COMPLY WITH THE NEW POLICY. HOWEVER, THESE FEW STATIONS STEADFASTLY DISREGARD AND SIDESTEP THE POLICY IN THE 'NAME OF ON-TIME DEPS.' HE FURTHER STATES THAT THE FLC'S ONLY PROTECTION FROM A HAZMAT SPILL WOULD BE TO DON THE OXYGEN MASKS AND BE ON 100% OXYGEN. THE SPECIFIC TYPE OF HAZMAT FOR THIS RPTED INCIDENT IS NOT KNOWN. THE RPTR STATES THAT IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE HIV POSITIVE BLOOD SAMPLES OR HEPATITIS B/C. THE RPTR REMAINS EXTREMELY AWARE AND CONCERNED THAT AN INCIDENT WOULD RESULT IN CONSTANT AND TOTAL EXPOSURE TO A FLC AS THE CABIN AIR IS BEING CONSTANTLY RECIRCULATED THROUGH THE COCKPIT VENTILATION SYS. HE IS ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE NON TCASII CARGO OP MIGHT FURTHER AGGRAVATE THE SIT BY CAUSING A SPILL DURING AN AGGRESSIVE EVASION MANEUVER BROUGHT ABOUT BY THIS MISSING SAFETY TOOL. THE RPTR DOES NOT HOLD MUCH HOPE FOR TOTAL COMPLIANCE AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO MANDATED FAA REGS OR POLICIES IN THIS ARENA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.