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Attributes | |
ACN | 438152 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 31r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 31l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 438152 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
On a 280 degree heading to intercept the runway 31R ILS final. No approach clearance had been received and we knew of no clearance to intercept the final approach course. We continued on the heading through the final approach course and attempted to contact ATC to determine their intention. As we could not get a reply and there was a jet on the final to runway 31L, we elected to make a turn away back toward the runway 31R final course while continuing to attempt contact with ATC. No conflict existed but would have developed if we had continued on our previous heading. When we were able to contact ATC they cleared us for the ILS and landed without incident. Before sending us to tower, both the first officer and myself understood the controller to say that it was an illegal approach. After landing I called the ATC facility and talked with the supervisor. It seems that illegal approach we heard was actually, 'that's a legal approach,' and that the controller was confused about our statement that we were turning to avoid the traffic. That would be understandable if we had missed the approach clearance or if he had forgot to issue it. I have no idea which is correct.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B767 FLC FLIES THROUGH LOC WHEN APCH CLRNC NOT RECEIVED.
Narrative: ON A 280 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT THE RWY 31R ILS FINAL. NO APCH CLRNC HAD BEEN RECEIVED AND WE KNEW OF NO CLRNC TO INTERCEPT THE FINAL APCH COURSE. WE CONTINUED ON THE HEADING THROUGH THE FINAL APCH COURSE AND ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT ATC TO DETERMINE THEIR INTENTION. AS WE COULD NOT GET A REPLY AND THERE WAS A JET ON THE FINAL TO RWY 31L, WE ELECTED TO MAKE A TURN AWAY BACK TOWARD THE RWY 31R FINAL COURSE WHILE CONTINUING TO ATTEMPT CONTACT WITH ATC. NO CONFLICT EXISTED BUT WOULD HAVE DEVELOPED IF WE HAD CONTINUED ON OUR PREVIOUS HEADING. WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO CONTACT ATC THEY CLRED US FOR THE ILS AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. BEFORE SENDING US TO TWR, BOTH THE FO AND MYSELF UNDERSTOOD THE CTLR TO SAY THAT IT WAS AN ILLEGAL APCH. AFTER LNDG I CALLED THE ATC FACILITY AND TALKED WITH THE SUPVR. IT SEEMS THAT ILLEGAL APCH WE HEARD WAS ACTUALLY, 'THAT'S A LEGAL APCH,' AND THAT THE CTLR WAS CONFUSED ABOUT OUR STATEMENT THAT WE WERE TURNING TO AVOID THE TFC. THAT WOULD BE UNDERSTANDABLE IF WE HAD MISSED THE APCH CLRNC OR IF HE HAD FORGOT TO ISSUE IT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHICH IS CORRECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.