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Attributes | |
ACN | 438333 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : b24.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2100 msl bound upper : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 170 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cardinal 177/177RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 150 |
ASRS Report | 438333 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Airport Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I entered downwind for runway 17 at B24. Arrival path was from the northeast. I flew to a point approximately 2 mi east of airport and announced intention to enter traffic pattern. I turned to a west heading to enter midfield downwind at B24. At approximately midfield point I turned at 45 degree entry to downwind, announced, and entered pattern. At 2 mi east point, I announced position in response to a cessna cardinal purporting to be on midfield downwind. My altitude at the 2 mi point was 2300 ft MSL, 200 ft above pattern altitude. I continued to descend to pattern altitude of 2100 then turned right to downwind. I established downwind while continuing to search for the cardinal. The cardinal then broadcast she was entering a left base for 17. I continued downwind and finally spotted the plane at least 4 mi northeast of the airport -- an unusually wide left base. The cardinal turned a long final. I extended my downwind turn until past the cardinal, who was then on final. I announced and then turned left base and subsequently final. The cardinal taxied slowly but finally cleared the runway when I was at least 1 mi out. The landing was uneventful, and I cleared the runway and taxied to the gas pumps. At that point the male and female from the cardinal came over to my aircraft and asked to talk to me. (In all subsequent conversation the male did most of the talking though the female was the only voice on the cardinal's radio. They never made it clear who the PIC was during their flight.) he inquired if I had seen his aircraft, and I stated yes, on an extremely wide left base but not before. He then claimed that on his downwind we had nearly collided and he had taken evasive action by diving. He followed by stating that I had nearly hit the cardinal as it was flying the downwind and I had approached from the northeast. I countered that I had arrived from the northeast but had entered the pattern correctly by turning west toward the runway then turning again on a 45 degree angle to enter a downwind and announcing every turn. If our aircraft had indeed been near each other, the cardinal was at least 1-2 mi outside the normal l-hand downwind as flown at B24. Additionally, at the purported point of the incident, I was still 200 ft above the pattern altitude descending to be established at the correct pattern altitude (2100 ft) at the normal downwind entry point. The other aircraft, therefore, was not in either the correct position for downwind as they had broadcast nor at the correct altitude. Also at this time there was glider activity at the airport, one of which I spotted overhead as I entered the downwind. The glider entered the pattern and was able to complete a pattern before the cardinal completed the turn to final. Further discussion ensued, and I queried the other pilot if he was familiar with the operational procedure at B24. He claimed to be a tenant at the airport with 'every rating' and 'thousands of hours.' I explained the standard pattern as I flew it that day and as is flown by other pilots at B24. I told him I had not seen the cardinal where it was announced. I had 2 other people in the C170 traffic spotting, and thought the cardinal had flown an extraordinarily wide pattern. I explained that the cardinal's actions and radio work miscommunicated its position relative to the airport, leading me to search the normal downwind area. Not seeing traffic, I turned my downwind and flew the pattern. I do not believe there was a close encounter with the aircraft. Given the visibility afforded by the C170, had the cardinal had to dive to avoid the aircraft, I would no doubt have seen it. I did not -- nor did my passenger. I do not believe there was a close encounter or near miss with the cardinal. Conclusion: there must be ever-present vigilance by all parties at uncontrolled airports. I was misled into searching the normal pattern area for announced traffic when it obviously was not there. When an aircraft exceeds, by a large margin, the area it purports to be in, it leads other traffic to look the wrong way for it. Likewise, established landing patterns need to be followed as precisely as possible, flying an excessively large pattern -- as the cardinal did -- is the same asnot being in the pattern at all.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AC C170 ENTERING THE TFC PATTERN AT B24, NY, ALMOST HITS A C177 WHO HAD ANNOUNCED ON DOWNWIND.
Narrative: I ENTERED DOWNWIND FOR RWY 17 AT B24. ARR PATH WAS FROM THE NE. I FLEW TO A POINT APPROX 2 MI E OF ARPT AND ANNOUNCED INTENTION TO ENTER TFC PATTERN. I TURNED TO A W HDG TO ENTER MIDFIELD DOWNWIND AT B24. AT APPROX MIDFIELD POINT I TURNED AT 45 DEG ENTRY TO DOWNWIND, ANNOUNCED, AND ENTERED PATTERN. AT 2 MI E POINT, I ANNOUNCED POS IN RESPONSE TO A CESSNA CARDINAL PURPORTING TO BE ON MIDFIELD DOWNWIND. MY ALT AT THE 2 MI POINT WAS 2300 FT MSL, 200 FT ABOVE PATTERN ALT. I CONTINUED TO DSND TO PATTERN ALT OF 2100 THEN TURNED R TO DOWNWIND. I ESTABLISHED DOWNWIND WHILE CONTINUING TO SEARCH FOR THE CARDINAL. THE CARDINAL THEN BROADCAST SHE WAS ENTERING A L BASE FOR 17. I CONTINUED DOWNWIND AND FINALLY SPOTTED THE PLANE AT LEAST 4 MI NE OF THE ARPT -- AN UNUSUALLY WIDE L BASE. THE CARDINAL TURNED A LONG FINAL. I EXTENDED MY DOWNWIND TURN UNTIL PAST THE CARDINAL, WHO WAS THEN ON FINAL. I ANNOUNCED AND THEN TURNED L BASE AND SUBSEQUENTLY FINAL. THE CARDINAL TAXIED SLOWLY BUT FINALLY CLRED THE RWY WHEN I WAS AT LEAST 1 MI OUT. THE LNDG WAS UNEVENTFUL, AND I CLRED THE RWY AND TAXIED TO THE GAS PUMPS. AT THAT POINT THE MALE AND FEMALE FROM THE CARDINAL CAME OVER TO MY ACFT AND ASKED TO TALK TO ME. (IN ALL SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION THE MALE DID MOST OF THE TALKING THOUGH THE FEMALE WAS THE ONLY VOICE ON THE CARDINAL'S RADIO. THEY NEVER MADE IT CLR WHO THE PIC WAS DURING THEIR FLT.) HE INQUIRED IF I HAD SEEN HIS ACFT, AND I STATED YES, ON AN EXTREMELY WIDE L BASE BUT NOT BEFORE. HE THEN CLAIMED THAT ON HIS DOWNWIND WE HAD NEARLY COLLIDED AND HE HAD TAKEN EVASIVE ACTION BY DIVING. HE FOLLOWED BY STATING THAT I HAD NEARLY HIT THE CARDINAL AS IT WAS FLYING THE DOWNWIND AND I HAD APCHED FROM THE NE. I COUNTERED THAT I HAD ARRIVED FROM THE NE BUT HAD ENTERED THE PATTERN CORRECTLY BY TURNING W TOWARD THE RWY THEN TURNING AGAIN ON A 45 DEG ANGLE TO ENTER A DOWNWIND AND ANNOUNCING EVERY TURN. IF OUR ACFT HAD INDEED BEEN NEAR EACH OTHER, THE CARDINAL WAS AT LEAST 1-2 MI OUTSIDE THE NORMAL L-HAND DOWNWIND AS FLOWN AT B24. ADDITIONALLY, AT THE PURPORTED POINT OF THE INCIDENT, I WAS STILL 200 FT ABOVE THE PATTERN ALT DSNDING TO BE ESTABLISHED AT THE CORRECT PATTERN ALT (2100 FT) AT THE NORMAL DOWNWIND ENTRY POINT. THE OTHER ACFT, THEREFORE, WAS NOT IN EITHER THE CORRECT POS FOR DOWNWIND AS THEY HAD BROADCAST NOR AT THE CORRECT ALT. ALSO AT THIS TIME THERE WAS GLIDER ACTIVITY AT THE ARPT, ONE OF WHICH I SPOTTED OVERHEAD AS I ENTERED THE DOWNWIND. THE GLIDER ENTERED THE PATTERN AND WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE A PATTERN BEFORE THE CARDINAL COMPLETED THE TURN TO FINAL. FURTHER DISCUSSION ENSUED, AND I QUERIED THE OTHER PLT IF HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATIONAL PROC AT B24. HE CLAIMED TO BE A TENANT AT THE ARPT WITH 'EVERY RATING' AND 'THOUSANDS OF HRS.' I EXPLAINED THE STANDARD PATTERN AS I FLEW IT THAT DAY AND AS IS FLOWN BY OTHER PLTS AT B24. I TOLD HIM I HAD NOT SEEN THE CARDINAL WHERE IT WAS ANNOUNCED. I HAD 2 OTHER PEOPLE IN THE C170 TFC SPOTTING, AND THOUGHT THE CARDINAL HAD FLOWN AN EXTRAORDINARILY WIDE PATTERN. I EXPLAINED THAT THE CARDINAL'S ACTIONS AND RADIO WORK MISCOMMUNICATED ITS POS RELATIVE TO THE ARPT, LEADING ME TO SEARCH THE NORMAL DOWNWIND AREA. NOT SEEING TFC, I TURNED MY DOWNWIND AND FLEW THE PATTERN. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH THE ACFT. GIVEN THE VISIBILITY AFFORDED BY THE C170, HAD THE CARDINAL HAD TO DIVE TO AVOID THE ACFT, I WOULD NO DOUBT HAVE SEEN IT. I DID NOT -- NOR DID MY PAX. I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE WAS A CLOSE ENCOUNTER OR NEAR MISS WITH THE CARDINAL. CONCLUSION: THERE MUST BE EVER-PRESENT VIGILANCE BY ALL PARTIES AT UNCTLED ARPTS. I WAS MISLED INTO SEARCHING THE NORMAL PATTERN AREA FOR ANNOUNCED TFC WHEN IT OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT THERE. WHEN AN ACFT EXCEEDS, BY A LARGE MARGIN, THE AREA IT PURPORTS TO BE IN, IT LEADS OTHER TFC TO LOOK THE WRONG WAY FOR IT. LIKEWISE, ESTABLISHED LNDG PATTERNS NEED TO BE FOLLOWED AS PRECISELY AS POSSIBLE, FLYING AN EXCESSIVELY LARGE PATTERN -- AS THE CARDINAL DID -- IS THE SAME ASNOT BEING IN THE PATTERN AT ALL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.