A new CFI receiving a chkout in a PA34 has problems maintaining altitude and directional control of the aircraft so the CFI instructor pilot takes over for the approach.

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Attributes
ACN	438357
Time
Date	199905
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : poc.airport
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon
Operator	general aviation : instructional
Make Model Name	PA-34-200 Seneca I
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	ils localizer & glide slope : 26l
Flight Phase	descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 275 flight time total : 600 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	438357
Person 2
Affiliation	other
Function	instruction : trainee
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory other
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On may/xa/99, I was giving a new CFI a chkout in our school's seneca. The conditions were IFR to about 4500 ft with VFR on top. During the departure, the CFI seemed very nervous and was talking a lot during climb out in IMC. The controller gave her an instruction to turn right heading 310 degrees and because she was talking she thought he said left, and turned the wrong way. We eventually reached VMC and no other problems were encountered until we had to pick up an IFR clearance to return. The controller gave us a clearance first for the ILS to brackett, then changed it to the VOR-a, then back to the ILS. This seemed to distract the new CFI and she began to get behind. The controller advised her to maintain 100 KTS, which she tried but was unable to do. As we continued the approach, there were times when during her descent she was going as fast as 125-130 KTS. She also had a hard time maintaining altitude, and on one occasion the controller advised that she was too low. The controller also had to advise her when she was deviating off her localizer. After the second reminder of her localizer by the controller and at hawnn intersection, I informed her that I was going to take over and fly the rest of the approach.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A NEW CFI RECEIVING A CHKOUT IN A PA34 HAS PROBS MAINTAINING ALT AND DIRECTIONAL CTL OF THE ACFT SO THE CFI INSTRUCTOR PLT TAKES OVER FOR THE APCH.

Narrative: ON MAY/XA/99, I WAS GIVING A NEW CFI A CHKOUT IN OUR SCHOOL'S SENECA. THE CONDITIONS WERE IFR TO ABOUT 4500 FT WITH VFR ON TOP. DURING THE DEP, THE CFI SEEMED VERY NERVOUS AND WAS TALKING A LOT DURING CLBOUT IN IMC. THE CTLR GAVE HER AN INSTRUCTION TO TURN R HDG 310 DEGS AND BECAUSE SHE WAS TALKING SHE THOUGHT HE SAID L, AND TURNED THE WRONG WAY. WE EVENTUALLY REACHED VMC AND NO OTHER PROBS WERE ENCOUNTERED UNTIL WE HAD TO PICK UP AN IFR CLRNC TO RETURN. THE CTLR GAVE US A CLRNC FIRST FOR THE ILS TO BRACKETT, THEN CHANGED IT TO THE VOR-A, THEN BACK TO THE ILS. THIS SEEMED TO DISTRACT THE NEW CFI AND SHE BEGAN TO GET BEHIND. THE CTLR ADVISED HER TO MAINTAIN 100 KTS, WHICH SHE TRIED BUT WAS UNABLE TO DO. AS WE CONTINUED THE APCH, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN DURING HER DSCNT SHE WAS GOING AS FAST AS 125-130 KTS. SHE ALSO HAD A HARD TIME MAINTAINING ALT, AND ON ONE OCCASION THE CTLR ADVISED THAT SHE WAS TOO LOW. THE CTLR ALSO HAD TO ADVISE HER WHEN SHE WAS DEVIATING OFF HER LOC. AFTER THE SECOND REMINDER OF HER LOC BY THE CTLR AND AT HAWNN INTXN, I INFORMED HER THAT I WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER AND FLY THE REST OF THE APCH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.