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Attributes | |
ACN | 438906 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : aml.vor |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 438906 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying the departure with flight directors on. Altitude assigned was 10000 ft MSL, but actual leveloff was 10300 ft, then returned to 10000 ft MSL. Aircraft was very light and climb rate was very high. Passing through 7000 ft, rate of climb was +3800 FPM. The altitude and speed FMA's illuminated at approximately 8000 ft MSL. At 9000 ft MSL the 1000 ft to go call was made by the captain. At 9600 ft, approaching altitude call was made by captain. Flight director bars were centered throughout the climb and at 9600 ft I made an aggressive attempt to level at 10000 ft. All sops followed: the correct altitude was set in the window. Both pilots were aware of the 10000 ft clearance and our proximity to 10000 ft. This aircraft has a soft altitude hold function +/-100 and the automation of the airbus limits leveloff by load factor. The autothrottle had not begun to retard when we began the leveloff. Climb thrust setting made leveloff more difficult. Other factors about this aircraft autoflt/autothrottle system when light and leveling off at/below 10000 ft, normal climb has the autothrottle in climb detent with maximum climb EPR setting, rate of climb is a function of the selected speed. When light and 250 KTS this will cause a very high rate of climb. Lowering the nose to reduce the climb rate will cause the airspeed to build unless a) speed capture of the autothrottles has occurred, or B) the autothrottles are manually retarded. This problem is compounded when leveling at 10000 ft because the manage speed increases to below climb speed. This commands a reduction in power followed by an increase in power to accelerate to economy climb speed. This combination of light gross weight and leveling at 10000 ft has not happened very often in my experience. This can be challenging. Reason: PF failed to anticipate early leveloff (partly due to reliance on flight director data -- we discussed the need to back up with raw data) and the PNF failing to advocate an aggressive leveloff until it was too late and physically impossible to level the aircraft at 10000 ft MSL. Lessons learned: discussed techniques on how to best level off at 10000 ft when light. Included in this discussion was the possible need to manually take the throttles out of the climb detent position to override the autothrottle system to ensure the power reduced more expeditiously when approaching an assigned altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CLBING A310 OVERSHOOTS ITS ASSIGNED ALT OF 10000 FT. INTERESTING DESIGN FEATURES IN THE AUTOFLT, AUTOTHROTTLE SYS ENTERED INTO THE ALTDEV.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING THE DEP WITH FLT DIRECTORS ON. ALT ASSIGNED WAS 10000 FT MSL, BUT ACTUAL LEVELOFF WAS 10300 FT, THEN RETURNED TO 10000 FT MSL. ACFT WAS VERY LIGHT AND CLB RATE WAS VERY HIGH. PASSING THROUGH 7000 FT, RATE OF CLB WAS +3800 FPM. THE ALT AND SPD FMA'S ILLUMINATED AT APPROX 8000 FT MSL. AT 9000 FT MSL THE 1000 FT TO GO CALL WAS MADE BY THE CAPT. AT 9600 FT, APCHING ALT CALL WAS MADE BY CAPT. FLT DIRECTOR BARS WERE CTRED THROUGHOUT THE CLB AND AT 9600 FT I MADE AN AGGRESSIVE ATTEMPT TO LEVEL AT 10000 FT. ALL SOPS FOLLOWED: THE CORRECT ALT WAS SET IN THE WINDOW. BOTH PLTS WERE AWARE OF THE 10000 FT CLRNC AND OUR PROX TO 10000 FT. THIS ACFT HAS A SOFT ALT HOLD FUNCTION +/-100 AND THE AUTOMATION OF THE AIRBUS LIMITS LEVELOFF BY LOAD FACTOR. THE AUTOTHROTTLE HAD NOT BEGUN TO RETARD WHEN WE BEGAN THE LEVELOFF. CLB THRUST SETTING MADE LEVELOFF MORE DIFFICULT. OTHER FACTORS ABOUT THIS ACFT AUTOFLT/AUTOTHROTTLE SYS WHEN LIGHT AND LEVELING OFF AT/BELOW 10000 FT, NORMAL CLB HAS THE AUTOTHROTTLE IN CLB DETENT WITH MAX CLB EPR SETTING, RATE OF CLB IS A FUNCTION OF THE SELECTED SPD. WHEN LIGHT AND 250 KTS THIS WILL CAUSE A VERY HIGH RATE OF CLB. LOWERING THE NOSE TO REDUCE THE CLB RATE WILL CAUSE THE AIRSPD TO BUILD UNLESS A) SPD CAPTURE OF THE AUTOTHROTTLES HAS OCCURRED, OR B) THE AUTOTHROTTLES ARE MANUALLY RETARDED. THIS PROB IS COMPOUNDED WHEN LEVELING AT 10000 FT BECAUSE THE MANAGE SPD INCREASES TO BELOW CLB SPD. THIS COMMANDS A REDUCTION IN PWR FOLLOWED BY AN INCREASE IN PWR TO ACCELERATE TO ECONOMY CLB SPD. THIS COMBINATION OF LIGHT GROSS WT AND LEVELING AT 10000 FT HAS NOT HAPPENED VERY OFTEN IN MY EXPERIENCE. THIS CAN BE CHALLENGING. REASON: PF FAILED TO ANTICIPATE EARLY LEVELOFF (PARTLY DUE TO RELIANCE ON FLT DIRECTOR DATA -- WE DISCUSSED THE NEED TO BACK UP WITH RAW DATA) AND THE PNF FAILING TO ADVOCATE AN AGGRESSIVE LEVELOFF UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE AND PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO LEVEL THE ACFT AT 10000 FT MSL. LESSONS LEARNED: DISCUSSED TECHNIQUES ON HOW TO BEST LEVEL OFF AT 10000 FT WHEN LIGHT. INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION WAS THE POSSIBLE NEED TO MANUALLY TAKE THE THROTTLES OUT OF THE CLB DETENT POS TO OVERRIDE THE AUTOTHROTTLE SYS TO ENSURE THE PWR REDUCED MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY WHEN APCHING AN ASSIGNED ALT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.