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Attributes | |
ACN | 438960 |
Time | |
Date | 199905 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure : vfr |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 600 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 30 |
ASRS Report | 438960 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
The day before the occurrence my transponder worked satisfactorily on a flight over lax. I landed at sna airport. I left sna VFR. I requested a hollywood park transition over lax at 7500 ft. Departure control then reported that I had no transponder, and socal would not approve a transaction, and asked my intentions. I requested to fly around the class B over the ocean or inland VFR. They would not approve either course and told me to return to sna and get my transponder fixed there. It was friday evening so I would have been stuck there until at least monday. I repeated my desire to continue to my destination. Finally, a socal controller said he would get me a waiver to use a VFR corridor at 4500 ft. I wasn't familiar with it, so he told me to fly the 132 degree radial to vny. When checking in with the next controller, he said I couldn't cross without a transponder. I told him I had been given a waiver. He then told me to change to the common pilot frequency. I did so, completed the transition without sighting another aircraft and proceeded to my destination. The WX was good, I had plenty of fuel and I wanted to stay out of class B airspace, but departure/socal wouldn't approve my departing the area. It seems inappropriate to tell me to return to sna. Fortunately, an understanding controller found a simple solution for everyone. To the best of my knowledge, there were no safety of flight issues. It was simply uncomfortable to have to argue a bit over the air to do something I thought was reasonable and prudent.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT REQUESTS AND OBTAINS CLASS B TRANSITION WITH MALFUNCTIONING XPONDER. PLT QUESTIONS 1 OF 2 CTLR'S RESPONSE TO HIS EQUIP PROB.
Narrative: THE DAY BEFORE THE OCCURRENCE MY XPONDER WORKED SATISFACTORILY ON A FLT OVER LAX. I LANDED AT SNA ARPT. I LEFT SNA VFR. I REQUESTED A HOLLYWOOD PARK TRANSITION OVER LAX AT 7500 FT. DEP CTL THEN RPTED THAT I HAD NO XPONDER, AND SOCAL WOULD NOT APPROVE A TRANSACTION, AND ASKED MY INTENTIONS. I REQUESTED TO FLY AROUND THE CLASS B OVER THE OCEAN OR INLAND VFR. THEY WOULD NOT APPROVE EITHER COURSE AND TOLD ME TO RETURN TO SNA AND GET MY XPONDER FIXED THERE. IT WAS FRIDAY EVENING SO I WOULD HAVE BEEN STUCK THERE UNTIL AT LEAST MONDAY. I REPEATED MY DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO MY DEST. FINALLY, A SOCAL CTLR SAID HE WOULD GET ME A WAIVER TO USE A VFR CORRIDOR AT 4500 FT. I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH IT, SO HE TOLD ME TO FLY THE 132 DEG RADIAL TO VNY. WHEN CHKING IN WITH THE NEXT CTLR, HE SAID I COULDN'T CROSS WITHOUT A XPONDER. I TOLD HIM I HAD BEEN GIVEN A WAIVER. HE THEN TOLD ME TO CHANGE TO THE COMMON PLT FREQ. I DID SO, COMPLETED THE TRANSITION WITHOUT SIGHTING ANOTHER ACFT AND PROCEEDED TO MY DEST. THE WX WAS GOOD, I HAD PLENTY OF FUEL AND I WANTED TO STAY OUT OF CLASS B AIRSPACE, BUT DEP/SOCAL WOULDN'T APPROVE MY DEPARTING THE AREA. IT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE TO TELL ME TO RETURN TO SNA. FORTUNATELY, AN UNDERSTANDING CTLR FOUND A SIMPLE SOLUTION FOR EVERYONE. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WERE NO SAFETY OF FLT ISSUES. IT WAS SIMPLY UNCOMFORTABLE TO HAVE TO ARGUE A BIT OVER THE AIR TO DO SOMETHING I THOUGHT WAS REASONABLE AND PRUDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.