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Attributes | |
ACN | 439326 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 439326 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : d10.tracon |
Narrative:
Dfw approach control, 3000 ft. Dfw TRACON. Location: denton airport, tx. On vectors for runway 18R ILS we were descended to 3000 ft MSL. At 3000 ft we were approximately 1/2 mi east of the denton airport. After review of the airspace chart, I noticed that in that area 4000 ft MSL is the floor of the airspace. After landing, I called dfw TRACON and asked about being vectored below class B airspace and the supervisor replied that this was normal while running triple ILS approachs. This could be a threat to safety -- especially on a sunday with numerous GA traffic in the area. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that since he also flies small aircraft, he is very familiar with the denton and dfw class B airspace. He is also aware that the controller is required to tell the flight crew when being vectored outside class B and again when entering class B airspace. In the reported incident, this notification never took place.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: S80 ON APCH FOR DFW IS VECTORED OUTSIDE OF CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Narrative: DFW APCH CTL, 3000 FT. DFW TRACON. LOCATION: DENTON ARPT, TX. ON VECTORS FOR RWY 18R ILS WE WERE DSNDED TO 3000 FT MSL. AT 3000 FT WE WERE APPROX 1/2 MI E OF THE DENTON ARPT. AFTER REVIEW OF THE AIRSPACE CHART, I NOTICED THAT IN THAT AREA 4000 FT MSL IS THE FLOOR OF THE AIRSPACE. AFTER LNDG, I CALLED DFW TRACON AND ASKED ABOUT BEING VECTORED BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE AND THE SUPVR REPLIED THAT THIS WAS NORMAL WHILE RUNNING TRIPLE ILS APCHS. THIS COULD BE A THREAT TO SAFETY -- ESPECIALLY ON A SUNDAY WITH NUMEROUS GA TFC IN THE AREA. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT SINCE HE ALSO FLIES SMALL ACFT, HE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DENTON AND DFW CLASS B AIRSPACE. HE IS ALSO AWARE THAT THE CTLR IS REQUIRED TO TELL THE FLC WHEN BEING VECTORED OUTSIDE CLASS B AND AGAIN WHEN ENTERING CLASS B AIRSPACE. IN THE RPTED INCIDENT, THIS NOTIFICATION NEVER TOOK PLACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.