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Attributes | |
ACN | 440338 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence Thunderstorm Windshear |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : den.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors departure sid : plain2.den |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 440338 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : den.tower |
Airspace Structure | class b : den.b |
Chart | sid : plain2.den |
Publication | SID |
Narrative:
The clearance from den tower off runway 17L 'turn as soon as possible 070 degrees, wind 230 degrees at 13 KTS, cleared for takeoff.' at 500 ft AGL, flaps 15 degrees, 165 KIAS, 30 degree angle of bank, heading 100 degrees, came within approximately 1 - 1 1/2 mi of departure end of takeoff runway (east/west runway) of front range airport. No air traffic in pattern or on ground at front range seen or reported. We were coming left to 070 degrees to join plains 2 departure at den. On the departure SID, note says front range is 6 NM from VOR at south end of departure runway 17R. Commercial chart picture makes airport (front range) appear to be farther away and to the south. There are no notes on 10-7 page about departures on runway 17L and front range airport. Need a note about that and the altitude that you could cross front range at in class B airspace. Den tower, as we are coming through 100 degree heading, at about 1000 ft AGL comes on to tell me about front range airport distance, ceiling, etc. We were too busy scanning for traffic keeping tightest turn possible while climbing at best angle of climb to get out of the way. We were too close to front range to do anything but keep climb and turn to have smaller time line in the way. Den tower controller said nothing else to us other than contact departure control. Next time, I'll wait till 1000 ft AGL before starting my turn on a runway that I have never departed before. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated there were wind reports for the area and saw a number of missed approachs made. He said the verbiage used by the ZDV controller, 'turn left as soon as possible,' was not explained and a reason wasn't given. After takeoff and in the turn, the reporter said he saw the west end of ftg airport. At 1000 ft, he believed he had violated the airport's traffic pattern. He said the commercial page picture showed the ftg airport more south than it actually is and faulted the drawing for not indicating a better location of ftg.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B727 CREW WERE INSTRUCTED TO TURN L OFF DEN RWY 17 ASAP.
Narrative: THE CLRNC FROM DEN TWR OFF RWY 17L 'TURN ASAP 070 DEGS, WIND 230 DEGS AT 13 KTS, CLRED FOR TKOF.' AT 500 FT AGL, FLAPS 15 DEGS, 165 KIAS, 30 DEG ANGLE OF BANK, HDG 100 DEGS, CAME WITHIN APPROX 1 - 1 1/2 MI OF DEP END OF TKOF RWY (E/W RWY) OF FRONT RANGE ARPT. NO AIR TFC IN PATTERN OR ON GND AT FRONT RANGE SEEN OR RPTED. WE WERE COMING L TO 070 DEGS TO JOIN PLAINS 2 DEP AT DEN. ON THE DEP SID, NOTE SAYS FRONT RANGE IS 6 NM FROM VOR AT S END OF DEP RWY 17R. COMMERCIAL CHART PICTURE MAKES ARPT (FRONT RANGE) APPEAR TO BE FARTHER AWAY AND TO THE S. THERE ARE NO NOTES ON 10-7 PAGE ABOUT DEPS ON RWY 17L AND FRONT RANGE ARPT. NEED A NOTE ABOUT THAT AND THE ALT THAT YOU COULD CROSS FRONT RANGE AT IN CLASS B AIRSPACE. DEN TWR, AS WE ARE COMING THROUGH 100 DEG HDG, AT ABOUT 1000 FT AGL COMES ON TO TELL ME ABOUT FRONT RANGE ARPT DISTANCE, CEILING, ETC. WE WERE TOO BUSY SCANNING FOR TFC KEEPING TIGHTEST TURN POSSIBLE WHILE CLBING AT BEST ANGLE OF CLB TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO FRONT RANGE TO DO ANYTHING BUT KEEP CLB AND TURN TO HAVE SMALLER TIME LINE IN THE WAY. DEN TWR CTLR SAID NOTHING ELSE TO US OTHER THAN CONTACT DEP CTL. NEXT TIME, I'LL WAIT TILL 1000 FT AGL BEFORE STARTING MY TURN ON A RWY THAT I HAVE NEVER DEPARTED BEFORE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THERE WERE WIND RPTS FOR THE AREA AND SAW A NUMBER OF MISSED APCHS MADE. HE SAID THE VERBIAGE USED BY THE ZDV CTLR, 'TURN L ASAP,' WAS NOT EXPLAINED AND A REASON WASN'T GIVEN. AFTER TKOF AND IN THE TURN, THE RPTR SAID HE SAW THE W END OF FTG ARPT. AT 1000 FT, HE BELIEVED HE HAD VIOLATED THE ARPT'S TFC PATTERN. HE SAID THE COMMERCIAL PAGE PICTURE SHOWED THE FTG ARPT MORE S THAN IT ACTUALLY IS AND FAULTED THE DRAWING FOR NOT INDICATING A BETTER LOCATION OF FTG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.