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Attributes | |
ACN | 441092 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 28r |
Route In Use | approach other arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sfo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 441092 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : executed missed approach flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : sfo.tower |
Narrative:
Sfo pass on final, causes TCASII RA. While executing FMS qball approach and speed restr, controller kept getting me to say I had a B737 at my 8 O'clock position in sight and same him me. They allowed him to close on us to the point I received a TCASII RA, which I followed, which resulted in a missed approach. The verbiage during and after this event indicated the sfo controllers are unaware that I have no legal authority/authorized (nor desire) to assume that a third aircraft has not -- repeat not -- intruded the airspace and disregard the TCASII warning. They are evidently of the belief that if they can get both aircraft to see each other TCASII may be disregarded. If I am in error on the legalities of this type situation, I would appreciate a message back, though I would have to think long and hard about disregard of any TCASII warning. It has saved the bacon for many I know.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 FLC EXECUTED A MISSED APCH AFTER GETTING A TCASII RA ON FINAL APCH AT SFO.
Narrative: SFO PASS ON FINAL, CAUSES TCASII RA. WHILE EXECUTING FMS QBALL APCH AND SPD RESTR, CTLR KEPT GETTING ME TO SAY I HAD A B737 AT MY 8 O'CLOCK POS IN SIGHT AND SAME HIM ME. THEY ALLOWED HIM TO CLOSE ON US TO THE POINT I RECEIVED A TCASII RA, WHICH I FOLLOWED, WHICH RESULTED IN A MISSED APCH. THE VERBIAGE DURING AND AFTER THIS EVENT INDICATED THE SFO CTLRS ARE UNAWARE THAT I HAVE NO LEGAL AUTH (NOR DESIRE) TO ASSUME THAT A THIRD ACFT HAS NOT -- REPEAT NOT -- INTRUDED THE AIRSPACE AND DISREGARD THE TCASII WARNING. THEY ARE EVIDENTLY OF THE BELIEF THAT IF THEY CAN GET BOTH ACFT TO SEE EACH OTHER TCASII MAY BE DISREGARDED. IF I AM IN ERROR ON THE LEGALITIES OF THIS TYPE SIT, I WOULD APPRECIATE A MESSAGE BACK, THOUGH I WOULD HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT DISREGARD OF ANY TCASII WARNING. IT HAS SAVED THE BACON FOR MANY I KNOW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.