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Attributes | |
ACN | 441955 |
Time | |
Date | 199906 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lipa.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lipa.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : vincenza 6b |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 43 flight time total : 11366 flight time type : 185 |
ASRS Report | 441955 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
Chart | sid : vincenza 6 bravo |
Narrative:
Captain's first trip from aviano. My second trip from aviano. Flight engineer was also unfamiliar. Clearance was issued by ground control just prior to reaching active departure runway. Clearance to the en route phase was via the 'vincenza 6B departure.' our resources included the commercial charts (2 approach procedures and the airport chart). Government FLIP charts (same as commercial), government revisions (nothing), and government airport book (lots of verbiage on the airport, but no SID). At about the same time that we exhausted our onboard resources, I recalled that on my 1 previous trip from this airport, the captain had pulled from his collection a photocopy of the vic 6B departure -- the source of which remains a mystery to me. I shared what I could remember from the departure procedure with my captain. He had me advise the controller that we had found the departure procedure. I was a bit leery. His idea worked. The controller asked if we had the issue showing the right turn at 600 ft, etc, as he apparently read to us the entire SID. I scribbled it all down, we set up our navigation equipment, called for takeoff clearance, and departed. Our mistake here was our failure to brief what we had just heard ('had to make that slot time'). After takeoff and the first 2 turns, the captain acquired and naved direct to venezia, about 30 NM to the south. I thought I had heard 'direct to vincenza' as part of the SID. I figured I must have misunderstood. After about 2 mins and 8-10 NM on the sbound course, the controller advised us to turn immediately toward, and fly to vincenza, about 30 NM to the west of the airport. We did, and proceeded without further incident. Flying around without the necessary charts on board is not a good idea, but the temptation to do so could be reduced if the relevant procedure were either published appropriate or else eliminated!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC DEPARTED FOREIGN ARPT WITHOUT PROPER SID CHART.
Narrative: CAPT'S FIRST TRIP FROM AVIANO. MY SECOND TRIP FROM AVIANO. FE WAS ALSO UNFAMILIAR. CLRNC WAS ISSUED BY GND CTL JUST PRIOR TO REACHING ACTIVE DEP RWY. CLRNC TO THE ENRTE PHASE WAS VIA THE 'VINCENZA 6B DEP.' OUR RESOURCES INCLUDED THE COMMERCIAL CHARTS (2 APCH PROCS AND THE ARPT CHART). GOV FLIP CHARTS (SAME AS COMMERCIAL), GOV REVISIONS (NOTHING), AND GOV ARPT BOOK (LOTS OF VERBIAGE ON THE ARPT, BUT NO SID). AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THAT WE EXHAUSTED OUR ONBOARD RESOURCES, I RECALLED THAT ON MY 1 PREVIOUS TRIP FROM THIS ARPT, THE CAPT HAD PULLED FROM HIS COLLECTION A PHOTOCOPY OF THE VIC 6B DEP -- THE SOURCE OF WHICH REMAINS A MYSTERY TO ME. I SHARED WHAT I COULD REMEMBER FROM THE DEP PROC WITH MY CAPT. HE HAD ME ADVISE THE CTLR THAT WE HAD FOUND THE DEP PROC. I WAS A BIT LEERY. HIS IDEA WORKED. THE CTLR ASKED IF WE HAD THE ISSUE SHOWING THE R TURN AT 600 FT, ETC, AS HE APPARENTLY READ TO US THE ENTIRE SID. I SCRIBBLED IT ALL DOWN, WE SET UP OUR NAV EQUIP, CALLED FOR TKOF CLRNC, AND DEPARTED. OUR MISTAKE HERE WAS OUR FAILURE TO BRIEF WHAT WE HAD JUST HEARD ('HAD TO MAKE THAT SLOT TIME'). AFTER TKOF AND THE FIRST 2 TURNS, THE CAPT ACQUIRED AND NAVED DIRECT TO VENEZIA, ABOUT 30 NM TO THE S. I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD 'DIRECT TO VINCENZA' AS PART OF THE SID. I FIGURED I MUST HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD. AFTER ABOUT 2 MINS AND 8-10 NM ON THE SBOUND COURSE, THE CTLR ADVISED US TO TURN IMMEDIATELY TOWARD, AND FLY TO VINCENZA, ABOUT 30 NM TO THE W OF THE ARPT. WE DID, AND PROCEEDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. FLYING AROUND WITHOUT THE NECESSARY CHARTS ON BOARD IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT THE TEMPTATION TO DO SO COULD BE REDUCED IF THE RELEVANT PROC WERE EITHER PUBLISHED APPROPRIATE OR ELSE ELIMINATED!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.