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Attributes | |
ACN | 442051 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : pdz3 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 65 flight time total : 9875 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 442051 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 442359 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Airspace Structure FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Narrative:
We had programmed the FMS to have civet 4 to runway 25L in route 1 and the mitts 1 to runway 24R in route 2. Clearance was changed to pdz 3 STAR to runway 25L. While flying this, clearance amended to runway 24R. Tried to manually insert these, supai and mitts waypoints, but these kept dropping off the route -- they were so close together that we were flying past them as quickly as we could type them into the box. We asked approach for a heading and altitude (until we could get the FMS reprogrammed). We normally expect runway 25L with the possibility of runway 24R. With hindsight, a better technique would be to simultaneously program the pdz 3 to runway 24R into route 2, as soon as we are cleared for the pdz 3 to runway 25L.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW WAS ISSUED EXCESSIVE STAR CHANGES ON ARR TO LAX.
Narrative: WE HAD PROGRAMMED THE FMS TO HAVE CIVET 4 TO RWY 25L IN RTE 1 AND THE MITTS 1 TO RWY 24R IN RTE 2. CLRNC WAS CHANGED TO PDZ 3 STAR TO RWY 25L. WHILE FLYING THIS, CLRNC AMENDED TO RWY 24R. TRIED TO MANUALLY INSERT THESE, SUPAI AND MITTS WAYPOINTS, BUT THESE KEPT DROPPING OFF THE RTE -- THEY WERE SO CLOSE TOGETHER THAT WE WERE FLYING PAST THEM AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD TYPE THEM INTO THE BOX. WE ASKED APCH FOR A HDG AND ALT (UNTIL WE COULD GET THE FMS REPROGRAMMED). WE NORMALLY EXPECT RWY 25L WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF RWY 24R. WITH HINDSIGHT, A BETTER TECHNIQUE WOULD BE TO SIMULTANEOUSLY PROGRAM THE PDZ 3 TO RWY 24R INTO RTE 2, AS SOON AS WE ARE CLRED FOR THE PDZ 3 TO RWY 25L.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.