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Attributes | |
ACN | 443716 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sie.vortac |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14500 msl bound upper : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc tower : zzz.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v139.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v139.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 24000 flight time type : 13000 |
ASRS Report | 443716 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Error |
Narrative:
While cruising at 17000 ft, ATC advised me of traffic at 12 O'clock at 16000 ft about 25 mi. We called the traffic in sight and ATC cleared us down to 15000 ft and to maintain a visual on the traffic. After I started my descent, my TCASII indicated I needed to increase my descent rate, so I increased my descent rate so as to have a 1000 ft separation as we passed. I also turned about 20 degrees right to provide some lateral separation as well. I did not start my leveloff until I reached 15000 ft, which resulted in my stopping descent at 14500 ft, at which point my TCASII indicated we were clear of conflict and we immediately climbed back to 15000 ft. As we descended through 15000 ft, we advised ATC that we were responding to our TCASII even though we had the traffic visually. Although we each had the other in sight with our landing lights on, I now realize that distance perception at night is very deceptive, and in the future would not accept such a clearance. Supplemental information from acn 444103: we were ferrying from new york to navy norfolk to begin a military charter. I was cruising at 16000 ft. It was a clear night. ZDC called and advised us of opposite direction traffic, an air carrier flight at 17000 ft. They had their landing lights on. I flashed my landing lights and told center they were in sight. A short time later center asked air carrier if they had us in sight. (I think this was the second time he asked them). They said they had us in sight. The controller cleared air carrier to make a visual descent to 15000 ft. I turned my landing lights on and left them on. I looked at them out the window and they appeared to be beginning their descent. My first officer was looking at his TCASII display and said 'you're going to have to get out of here.' they were closing very fast. The TCASII amber advisory and aural warning went off. It was clear to our right. I disconnected the autoplt and rapidly rolled into a right bank. At this time we got a red RA of 'don't climb' followed quickly by a 'descend' command. I pushed the nose over pretty hard and continued my turn. I rolled level as they passed off our left about 500-1000 ft and at our altitude. Even though they rogered the visual descent clearance, it seems as if they still thought they had radar separation. Since my TCASII was commanding a descent, shouldn't theirs have given them a climb?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737 AND B757 APCHING HEAD-ON CAME VERY CLOSE WHEN CTLR CLRED THE HIGHER OF THE 2 TO DSND VISUALLY FROM 1000 FT ABOVE TO 1000 FT BELOW THE OTHER. BOTH ACFT RECEIVED TCASII RA'S BUT INCLUDED A ROLL AWAY IN THEIR AVOIDANCE MANEUVER.
Narrative: WHILE CRUISING AT 17000 FT, ATC ADVISED ME OF TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK AT 16000 FT ABOUT 25 MI. WE CALLED THE TFC IN SIGHT AND ATC CLRED US DOWN TO 15000 FT AND TO MAINTAIN A VISUAL ON THE TFC. AFTER I STARTED MY DSCNT, MY TCASII INDICATED I NEEDED TO INCREASE MY DSCNT RATE, SO I INCREASED MY DSCNT RATE SO AS TO HAVE A 1000 FT SEPARATION AS WE PASSED. I ALSO TURNED ABOUT 20 DEGS R TO PROVIDE SOME LATERAL SEPARATION AS WELL. I DID NOT START MY LEVELOFF UNTIL I REACHED 15000 FT, WHICH RESULTED IN MY STOPPING DSCNT AT 14500 FT, AT WHICH POINT MY TCASII INDICATED WE WERE CLR OF CONFLICT AND WE IMMEDIATELY CLBED BACK TO 15000 FT. AS WE DSNDED THROUGH 15000 FT, WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE RESPONDING TO OUR TCASII EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THE TFC VISUALLY. ALTHOUGH WE EACH HAD THE OTHER IN SIGHT WITH OUR LNDG LIGHTS ON, I NOW REALIZE THAT DISTANCE PERCEPTION AT NIGHT IS VERY DECEPTIVE, AND IN THE FUTURE WOULD NOT ACCEPT SUCH A CLRNC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 444103: WE WERE FERRYING FROM NEW YORK TO NAVY NORFOLK TO BEGIN A MIL CHARTER. I WAS CRUISING AT 16000 FT. IT WAS A CLR NIGHT. ZDC CALLED AND ADVISED US OF OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC, AN ACR FLT AT 17000 FT. THEY HAD THEIR LNDG LIGHTS ON. I FLASHED MY LNDG LIGHTS AND TOLD CTR THEY WERE IN SIGHT. A SHORT TIME LATER CTR ASKED ACR IF THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. (I THINK THIS WAS THE SECOND TIME HE ASKED THEM). THEY SAID THEY HAD US IN SIGHT. THE CTLR CLRED ACR TO MAKE A VISUAL DSCNT TO 15000 FT. I TURNED MY LNDG LIGHTS ON AND LEFT THEM ON. I LOOKED AT THEM OUT THE WINDOW AND THEY APPEARED TO BE BEGINNING THEIR DSCNT. MY FO WAS LOOKING AT HIS TCASII DISPLAY AND SAID 'YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE.' THEY WERE CLOSING VERY FAST. THE TCASII AMBER ADVISORY AND AURAL WARNING WENT OFF. IT WAS CLR TO OUR R. I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND RAPIDLY ROLLED INTO A R BANK. AT THIS TIME WE GOT A RED RA OF 'DON'T CLB' FOLLOWED QUICKLY BY A 'DSND' COMMAND. I PUSHED THE NOSE OVER PRETTY HARD AND CONTINUED MY TURN. I ROLLED LEVEL AS THEY PASSED OFF OUR L ABOUT 500-1000 FT AND AT OUR ALT. EVEN THOUGH THEY ROGERED THE VISUAL DSCNT CLRNC, IT SEEMS AS IF THEY STILL THOUGHT THEY HAD RADAR SEPARATION. SINCE MY TCASII WAS COMMANDING A DSCNT, SHOULDN'T THEIRS HAVE GIVEN THEM A CLB?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.