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Attributes | |
ACN | 444125 |
Time | |
Date | 199907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bwi.airport |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bwi.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cardinal 177/177RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : vfr departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR Combined VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 2650 flight time type : 215 |
ASRS Report | 444125 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Via telephone, I called to baltimore approach control to pick up IFR departure clearance and void time, this is normal procedure for IFR departures from uncontrolled essex skypark. The controller explained they were rather busy and it would help them if I departed VFR, and picked up the clearance while airborne. I agreed since WX was good VFR. He went on to give me a routing, departure frequency and squawk code. He said I should depart with this squawk, and he'd have our information at the 119.7 controller who would be prepared and expecting our airplane. On our climb out I called the controller and asked to pick up our clearance and was abruptly told to 'stay out of class B airspace, I'm busy now.' I explained we were told he'd be expecting us, and got the same response. After proceeding VFR for 5 plus or minus mins -- outside class B airspace was confirmed by our GPS moving map, the controller told us to climb to 3000 ft 300 degree heading. I then asked twice if we were then IFR and cleared into class B airspace, and got the same heading and altitude vector. The controller did not confirm our IFR clearance, or clearance into class B airspace. We tried to cooperate to ease the controller's workload, and the result was poor treatment almost adversarial direction/heading request. This scenario has happened many times at our airport and is unnecessary and detracts from safe operations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CESSNA PLT COORDINATES WITH TRACON FOR IFR THROUGH CLASS B. AFTER AIRBORNE FROM UNCTLED ARPT AND APCHING CLASS B HE RECEIVES NO COOPERATION FROM CTLR.
Narrative: VIA TELEPHONE, I CALLED TO BALTIMORE APCH CTL TO PICK UP IFR DEP CLRNC AND VOID TIME, THIS IS NORMAL PROC FOR IFR DEPS FROM UNCTLED ESSEX SKYPARK. THE CTLR EXPLAINED THEY WERE RATHER BUSY AND IT WOULD HELP THEM IF I DEPARTED VFR, AND PICKED UP THE CLRNC WHILE AIRBORNE. I AGREED SINCE WX WAS GOOD VFR. HE WENT ON TO GIVE ME A ROUTING, DEP FREQ AND SQUAWK CODE. HE SAID I SHOULD DEPART WITH THIS SQUAWK, AND HE'D HAVE OUR INFO AT THE 119.7 CTLR WHO WOULD BE PREPARED AND EXPECTING OUR AIRPLANE. ON OUR CLBOUT I CALLED THE CTLR AND ASKED TO PICK UP OUR CLRNC AND WAS ABRUPTLY TOLD TO 'STAY OUT OF CLASS B AIRSPACE, I'M BUSY NOW.' I EXPLAINED WE WERE TOLD HE'D BE EXPECTING US, AND GOT THE SAME RESPONSE. AFTER PROCEEDING VFR FOR 5 PLUS OR MINUS MINS -- OUTSIDE CLASS B AIRSPACE WAS CONFIRMED BY OUR GPS MOVING MAP, THE CTLR TOLD US TO CLB TO 3000 FT 300 DEG HDG. I THEN ASKED TWICE IF WE WERE THEN IFR AND CLRED INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE, AND GOT THE SAME HEADING AND ALT VECTOR. THE CTLR DID NOT CONFIRM OUR IFR CLRNC, OR CLRNC INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE. WE TRIED TO COOPERATE TO EASE THE CTLR'S WORKLOAD, AND THE RESULT WAS POOR TREATMENT ALMOST ADVERSARIAL DIRECTION/HEADING REQUEST. THIS SCENARIO HAS HAPPENED MANY TIMES AT OUR ARPT AND IS UNNECESSARY AND DETRACTS FROM SAFE OPS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.