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Attributes | |
ACN | 445913 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : crq.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : crq.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : crq.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10100 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 445913 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : separated traffic |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 75 vertical : 30 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Palomar tower was very busy. 1 aircraft was sent around 3 times because of faster traffic on the straight-in approach. At one point I heard a different voice correcting the local controller, so I was especially alert. I called for landing from over ocn VOR and was instructed 'make right traffic for runway 24 and report downwind,' which I did. On downwind I was told that my traffic was 4 mi out on a straight-in approach. I slowed down to avoid extending too far out and was then concerned about another C182 (same as me) who was following me and was asked several times if he had me in sight. I was 1 1/2 - 2 mi out, on downwind at pattern altitude, when the controller said 'cessna abcd your traffic is at your 1 O'clock position, do you have him in sight?' I answered 'if it is an orange and white high wing, I do.' he then queried '(no type, just a number) what color are you?' the answer, 'orange and white,' whereupon the controller told me to 'turn base, cleared to land!' as I turned on base, I heard a voice say something like 'he cut us off' but didn't connect that with my position until on rolling out on final I saw a cessna only 1 or 2 wingspans ahead of me and slightly higher. I exclaimed 'there is someone right in front of me!' and the controller said something like 'it's all right, he is making a low approach only, you are still cleared to land.' I did not catch the n-number of this aircraft, but I have to give a lot of credit to the instructor or safety pilot for not hitting me. At no time did I see him earlier. I think the controller made a serious error in that he must have overlooked the airplane that he gave me as traffic. It might possibly have been flying a l-hand pattern. Palomar tower has a difficult time now with scheduled airline traffic and training and transient aircraft approaching from north and south for their one runway. End note: I recently had a tour of the ATC training facility at FAA academy in oklahoma city, ok. The guide (a retired controller) told us that no longer are they allowed to fail anyone in the course. That they are sent, qualified, or not, to a tower to continue training. If this is true, it seems very unwise to me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF A C182 TURNED BASE AND FINAL AT CRQ ARPT WHEN THE TWR CTLR ADVISED HIM TO DO SO. HOWEVER, HE HEARD ANOTHER ACFT SAY HE HAD BEEN CUT OFF AND OBSERVED ANOTHER ACFT JUST AHEAD ABOUT 75 FT. THE TWR CTLR ADVISED HIM TO CONTINUE TO LNDG SINCE THE OTHER ACFT WAS ON A LOW APCH ONLY.
Narrative: PALOMAR TWR WAS VERY BUSY. 1 ACFT WAS SENT AROUND 3 TIMES BECAUSE OF FASTER TFC ON THE STRAIGHT-IN APCH. AT ONE POINT I HEARD A DIFFERENT VOICE CORRECTING THE LCL CTLR, SO I WAS ESPECIALLY ALERT. I CALLED FOR LNDG FROM OVER OCN VOR AND WAS INSTRUCTED 'MAKE R TFC FOR RWY 24 AND RPT DOWNWIND,' WHICH I DID. ON DOWNWIND I WAS TOLD THAT MY TFC WAS 4 MI OUT ON A STRAIGHT-IN APCH. I SLOWED DOWN TO AVOID EXTENDING TOO FAR OUT AND WAS THEN CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER C182 (SAME AS ME) WHO WAS FOLLOWING ME AND WAS ASKED SEVERAL TIMES IF HE HAD ME IN SIGHT. I WAS 1 1/2 - 2 MI OUT, ON DOWNWIND AT PATTERN ALT, WHEN THE CTLR SAID 'CESSNA ABCD YOUR TFC IS AT YOUR 1 O'CLOCK POS, DO YOU HAVE HIM IN SIGHT?' I ANSWERED 'IF IT IS AN ORANGE AND WHITE HIGH WING, I DO.' HE THEN QUERIED '(NO TYPE, JUST A NUMBER) WHAT COLOR ARE YOU?' THE ANSWER, 'ORANGE AND WHITE,' WHEREUPON THE CTLR TOLD ME TO 'TURN BASE, CLRED TO LAND!' AS I TURNED ON BASE, I HEARD A VOICE SAY SOMETHING LIKE 'HE CUT US OFF' BUT DIDN'T CONNECT THAT WITH MY POS UNTIL ON ROLLING OUT ON FINAL I SAW A CESSNA ONLY 1 OR 2 WINGSPANS AHEAD OF ME AND SLIGHTLY HIGHER. I EXCLAIMED 'THERE IS SOMEONE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!' AND THE CTLR SAID SOMETHING LIKE 'IT'S ALL RIGHT, HE IS MAKING A LOW APCH ONLY, YOU ARE STILL CLRED TO LAND.' I DID NOT CATCH THE N-NUMBER OF THIS ACFT, BUT I HAVE TO GIVE A LOT OF CREDIT TO THE INSTRUCTOR OR SAFETY PLT FOR NOT HITTING ME. AT NO TIME DID I SEE HIM EARLIER. I THINK THE CTLR MADE A SERIOUS ERROR IN THAT HE MUST HAVE OVERLOOKED THE AIRPLANE THAT HE GAVE ME AS TFC. IT MIGHT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN FLYING A L-HAND PATTERN. PALOMAR TWR HAS A DIFFICULT TIME NOW WITH SCHEDULED AIRLINE TFC AND TRAINING AND TRANSIENT ACFT APCHING FROM N AND S FOR THEIR ONE RWY. END NOTE: I RECENTLY HAD A TOUR OF THE ATC TRAINING FACILITY AT FAA ACADEMY IN OKLAHOMA CITY, OK. THE GUIDE (A RETIRED CTLR) TOLD US THAT NO LONGER ARE THEY ALLOWED TO FAIL ANYONE IN THE COURSE. THAT THEY ARE SENT, QUALIFIED, OR NOT, TO A TWR TO CONTINUE TRAINING. IF THIS IS TRUE, IT SEEMS VERY UNWISE TO ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.