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Attributes | |
ACN | 446932 |
Time | |
Date | 199908 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : brk.vortac |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cos.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Sail Plane |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 446932 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Airport Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
We were flying from atl to cos. Just east of brk VOR, we were given a 275 degree heading and clearance down to 9000 ft MSL. We knew to look for gliders. The captain had flown into colorado springs enough times to be aware of meadow lake field (I think), and ATIS had an advisory for glider traffic. Passing 10000 ft MSL for 9000 ft MSL, we were approaching a yellow glider from his dead 6 O'clock position. We did not see him until he started a right turn. We checked about 20 degrees left and passed within 1000 ft horizontal and 200 ft vertical. The captain spoke with ATC on the ground. I think he could only reach a tower controller. The controller said that this type of occurrence is not unusual. He also said that most arrs are brought in over brk which is very close to the glider field. I do not think that it is safe to vector airliners over a glider field. That is a recipe for conflicts. A published arrival into colorado springs away from the brk VOR and meadow lake airport would do 2 things: 1) it would deconflict the glider and airliner traffic. 2) it would give the glider pilots an idea where the airliners are flying, so they could avoid the area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD88 FLC ENCOUNTER A GLIDER BTWN 9000-10000 FT DURING DSCNT INTO COS.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING FROM ATL TO COS. JUST E OF BRK VOR, WE WERE GIVEN A 275 DEG HDG AND CLRNC DOWN TO 9000 FT MSL. WE KNEW TO LOOK FOR GLIDERS. THE CAPT HAD FLOWN INTO COLORADO SPRINGS ENOUGH TIMES TO BE AWARE OF MEADOW LAKE FIELD (I THINK), AND ATIS HAD AN ADVISORY FOR GLIDER TFC. PASSING 10000 FT MSL FOR 9000 FT MSL, WE WERE APCHING A YELLOW GLIDER FROM HIS DEAD 6 O'CLOCK POS. WE DID NOT SEE HIM UNTIL HE STARTED A R TURN. WE CHKED ABOUT 20 DEGS L AND PASSED WITHIN 1000 FT HORIZ AND 200 FT VERT. THE CAPT SPOKE WITH ATC ON THE GND. I THINK HE COULD ONLY REACH A TWR CTLR. THE CTLR SAID THAT THIS TYPE OF OCCURRENCE IS NOT UNUSUAL. HE ALSO SAID THAT MOST ARRS ARE BROUGHT IN OVER BRK WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE GLIDER FIELD. I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS SAFE TO VECTOR AIRLINERS OVER A GLIDER FIELD. THAT IS A RECIPE FOR CONFLICTS. A PUBLISHED ARR INTO COLORADO SPRINGS AWAY FROM THE BRK VOR AND MEADOW LAKE ARPT WOULD DO 2 THINGS: 1) IT WOULD DECONFLICT THE GLIDER AND AIRLINER TFC. 2) IT WOULD GIVE THE GLIDER PLTS AN IDEA WHERE THE AIRLINERS ARE FLYING, SO THEY COULD AVOID THE AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.