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Attributes | |
ACN | 447984 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : rod.vortac |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc tower : teb.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zid.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 447984 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
This corridor is very busy. ZID does a great job. It goes south in a hurry when pilot/controller communication gets jumbled. Cmh ATIS is a danger as well (shares) same frequency with other ATC facility. We were in the descent into cmh. ZID gave us an intermediate leveloff at FL240 with 'expect lower altitude shortly when clear of traffic.' we were then, after previous phrase, given descent clearance to FL210 'and to expedite.' the first officer (who was acting as the PF) selected 'exp' the expedite button on the FCU and began our descent. At approximately FL234 we were alerted by the TCASII of a 'TA.' at about the same time ATC asked us our altitude and at the same time our TCASII system upgraded the TA to an RA and to 'climb, climb.' at about the same time I saw the MD80 aircraft out of the first officer's forward window and simultaneously pulled back on the stick to comply with the TCASII RA. I also replied to ATC's inquiry of our altitude as that we were complying with a TCASII RA. They (ATC) thanked us and cleared us to FL190. Flight crew followed all procedures and instructions. TCASII may have caused loss of separation. Radio congestion may have contributed to loss of separation. Cmh airport ATIS may cause crews to divert their full attention deep into descent when traffic conflicts are at their greatest!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN AIRBUS A319 FLC RECEIVED A TCASII RA DURING A ZID REQUESTED EXPEDITED DSCNT NEAR ROD.
Narrative: THIS CORRIDOR IS VERY BUSY. ZID DOES A GREAT JOB. IT GOES S IN A HURRY WHEN PLT/CTLR COM GETS JUMBLED. CMH ATIS IS A DANGER AS WELL (SHARES) SAME FREQ WITH OTHER ATC FACILITY. WE WERE IN THE DSCNT INTO CMH. ZID GAVE US AN INTERMEDIATE LEVELOFF AT FL240 WITH 'EXPECT LOWER ALT SHORTLY WHEN CLR OF TFC.' WE WERE THEN, AFTER PREVIOUS PHRASE, GIVEN DSCNT CLRNC TO FL210 'AND TO EXPEDITE.' THE FO (WHO WAS ACTING AS THE PF) SELECTED 'EXP' THE EXPEDITE BUTTON ON THE FCU AND BEGAN OUR DSCNT. AT APPROX FL234 WE WERE ALERTED BY THE TCASII OF A 'TA.' AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME ATC ASKED US OUR ALT AND AT THE SAME TIME OUR TCASII SYS UPGRADED THE TA TO AN RA AND TO 'CLB, CLB.' AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME I SAW THE MD80 ACFT OUT OF THE FO'S FORWARD WINDOW AND SIMULTANEOUSLY PULLED BACK ON THE STICK TO COMPLY WITH THE TCASII RA. I ALSO REPLIED TO ATC'S INQUIRY OF OUR ALT AS THAT WE WERE COMPLYING WITH A TCASII RA. THEY (ATC) THANKED US AND CLRED US TO FL190. FLC FOLLOWED ALL PROCS AND INSTRUCTIONS. TCASII MAY HAVE CAUSED LOSS OF SEPARATION. RADIO CONGESTION MAY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO LOSS OF SEPARATION. CMH ARPT ATIS MAY CAUSE CREWS TO DIVERT THEIR FULL ATTN DEEP INTO DSCNT WHEN TFC CONFLICTS ARE AT THEIR GREATEST!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.