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Attributes | |
ACN | 448360 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : sjc.vor |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 17000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : loupe 9 |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 190 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 448360 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 448124 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departure from sjc loupe 9 dyblo linden transition. I was flying the departure following the flight director command bars, as commanded by the FMGS on the A319. The departure calls for tracking the sjc 339 degree radial to dyblo then track the lin 234 degree radial to linden. The FMGS commanded a turn to join the linden 234 degree radial prior to reaching dyblo intersection -- this is normal. Departure asked if we had begun a turn to linden, we said yes, and they gave us a turn 15 degrees to the left, a heading of 355 degrees and told us to contact ZOA. Departure also told us we would miss dyblo intersection, which we knew because of the depiction on the navigation display. This is a normal operation for the FMGS in the A319/320. What caused the problem? Either ignorance on the part of the controller about the way glass airplanes with FMS/FMGS fly or FMS/FMGS being certified to fly incorrectly. If it is ok for FMS/FMGS to command turns to join courses prior to reaching fixes, then we need to educate the controllers that this will happen. If it is required to fly to a fix or intersection prior to initiating a turn, then the software for the FMS/FMGS must be reprogrammed. Supplemental information from acn 448124: this guidance started a turn to the right prior to dyblo so as to intercept and roll out on the linden 234 degree radial (this is a turn of 75 degrees).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A319 FMS TURNS THE ACFT TOWARDS AN ON COURSE RADIAL PRIOR TO REACHING THE TURNING FIX. ATC QUESTIONS THIS AND REASSIGNS THE FLT A NEW HDG.
Narrative: DEP FROM SJC LOUPE 9 DYBLO LINDEN TRANSITION. I WAS FLYING THE DEP FOLLOWING THE FLT DIRECTOR COMMAND BARS, AS COMMANDED BY THE FMGS ON THE A319. THE DEP CALLS FOR TRACKING THE SJC 339 DEG RADIAL TO DYBLO THEN TRACK THE LIN 234 DEG RADIAL TO LINDEN. THE FMGS COMMANDED A TURN TO JOIN THE LINDEN 234 DEG RADIAL PRIOR TO REACHING DYBLO INTXN -- THIS IS NORMAL. DEP ASKED IF WE HAD BEGUN A TURN TO LINDEN, WE SAID YES, AND THEY GAVE US A TURN 15 DEGS TO THE L, A HDG OF 355 DEGS AND TOLD US TO CONTACT ZOA. DEP ALSO TOLD US WE WOULD MISS DYBLO INTXN, WHICH WE KNEW BECAUSE OF THE DEPICTION ON THE NAV DISPLAY. THIS IS A NORMAL OP FOR THE FMGS IN THE A319/320. WHAT CAUSED THE PROB? EITHER IGNORANCE ON THE PART OF THE CTLR ABOUT THE WAY GLASS AIRPLANES WITH FMS/FMGS FLY OR FMS/FMGS BEING CERTIFIED TO FLY INCORRECTLY. IF IT IS OK FOR FMS/FMGS TO COMMAND TURNS TO JOIN COURSES PRIOR TO REACHING FIXES, THEN WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE CTLRS THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN. IF IT IS REQUIRED TO FLY TO A FIX OR INTXN PRIOR TO INITIATING A TURN, THEN THE SOFTWARE FOR THE FMS/FMGS MUST BE REPROGRAMMED. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 448124: THIS GUIDANCE STARTED A TURN TO THE R PRIOR TO DYBLO SO AS TO INTERCEPT AND ROLL OUT ON THE LINDEN 234 DEG RADIAL (THIS IS A TURN OF 75 DEGS).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.