DA90 crew exceeded 200 KTS below the TCA veil.

Attributes
ACN	449454
Time
Date	199909
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl single value : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sct.tracon tower : atl.tower
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Falcon 900
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	arrival : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 13100 flight time type : 3900
ASRS Report	449454
Person 2
Affiliation	company : corporate
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued alert
Supplementary
Problem Areas	FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We were on the tandy 3 arrival for sna. Socal approach had given us a heading of 030 degrees and a descent to 5000 ft MSL just before sxc. We were doing 250 KIAS. Just before crossing the shoreline, our new controller asked us our speed. We truthfully responded 250 KTS. He then reminded us we were under the TCA and to slow to 200 KTS immediately. Even though we had discussed this before departure, I still misread the chart and thought I was ok until closer to sna and below 5000 ft MSL. I guess we're going to have to keep the radar chart out and just ask when in doubt.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DA90 CREW EXCEEDED 200 KTS BELOW THE TCA VEIL.

Narrative: WE WERE ON THE TANDY 3 ARR FOR SNA. SOCAL APCH HAD GIVEN US A HDG OF 030 DEGS AND A DSCNT TO 5000 FT MSL JUST BEFORE SXC. WE WERE DOING 250 KIAS. JUST BEFORE XING THE SHORELINE, OUR NEW CTLR ASKED US OUR SPD. WE TRUTHFULLY RESPONDED 250 KTS. HE THEN REMINDED US WE WERE UNDER THE TCA AND TO SLOW TO 200 KTS IMMEDIATELY. EVEN THOUGH WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE DEP, I STILL MISREAD THE CHART AND THOUGHT I WAS OK UNTIL CLOSER TO SNA AND BELOW 5000 FT MSL. I GUESS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP THE RADAR CHART OUT AND JUST ASK WHEN IN DOUBT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.