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Attributes | |
ACN | 449800 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-90 Series (DC-9-90) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : ns |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : vacating altitude descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 449800 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 450013 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : company policies non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were level at 15000 ft. Socal departure called out traffic at 1 O'clock position, 10 mi, air carrier B757. We reported traffic in sight. Socal said 'maintain visual separation, climb to FL280.' we commenced climb, maintaining visual separation. Shortly after we got an RA 'descend, descend.' since we were in the climb and maintaining visual, we continued the climb. (Our understanding of company policy is that if we have visual on the RA, we can ignore it.) unfortunately, the air carrier B757 started climbing in response to his RA. We had adequate lateral separation (2 mi or more), and did not have to maneuver the aircraft to miss the aircraft. I wonder in hindsight if we should have followed our TCASII (which was commanding a descent), or just have waited until traffic was clear before we climbed. I was never uncomfortable with the clearance or the separation. Throughout the entire evolution, the WX was clear, visibility greater than 20 mi -- a nice day.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MD90 AND B757 HAD TCASII RA WHEN THE MD90 WAS IN VISUAL CONTACT.
Narrative: WE WERE LEVEL AT 15000 FT. SOCAL DEP CALLED OUT TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS, 10 MI, ACR B757. WE RPTED TFC IN SIGHT. SOCAL SAID 'MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION, CLB TO FL280.' WE COMMENCED CLB, MAINTAINING VISUAL SEPARATION. SHORTLY AFTER WE GOT AN RA 'DSND, DSND.' SINCE WE WERE IN THE CLB AND MAINTAINING VISUAL, WE CONTINUED THE CLB. (OUR UNDERSTANDING OF COMPANY POLICY IS THAT IF WE HAVE VISUAL ON THE RA, WE CAN IGNORE IT.) UNFORTUNATELY, THE ACR B757 STARTED CLBING IN RESPONSE TO HIS RA. WE HAD ADEQUATE LATERAL SEPARATION (2 MI OR MORE), AND DID NOT HAVE TO MANEUVER THE ACFT TO MISS THE ACFT. I WONDER IN HINDSIGHT IF WE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED OUR TCASII (WHICH WAS COMMANDING A DSCNT), OR JUST HAVE WAITED UNTIL TRAFFIC WAS CLR BEFORE WE CLBED. I WAS NEVER UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE CLRNC OR THE SEPARATION. THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EVOLUTION, THE WX WAS CLR, VISIBILITY GREATER THAN 20 MI -- A NICE DAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.