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Attributes | |
ACN | 451373 |
Time | |
Date | 199909 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw.airport |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d21.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : enroute altitude change cruise : descent |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 275 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1100 |
ASRS Report | 451373 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on a short flight at 15000 ft. There was WX in the area and most flts were either deviating or on vectors around it. ATC was very busy. We were told to climb to maintain 'one seven thousand' ft and given an altimeter setting. I repeated the clearance back as the captain and I both heard it. My captain initiated a 1000 FPM climb using the autoplt. Shortly thereafter, ATC told us they were showing us in a climb (which we were). I then told the controller that she had cleared us to 17000 ft and that I had read it back. The controller told us that the clearance was not to 17000 ft but to maintain 'one seven zero' KTS. We slowed the aircraft and were then given a vector to resequence. At no time were we in conflict with other traffic, ie, no TA's or RA's from TCASII. If indeed we were told 170 KTS and not 17000 ft, then why the altimeter setting? That is something we are used to associating with a change in altitude or a handoff. Corrective action could be to preface a speed assignment using the word 'speed' as in 'reduce speed, maintain 170 KTS' and not just 'maintain 170 KTS.' it's very easy for these things to take place when things get busy. However, that is the reason for the readback. Listening is the key to communication.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPD CLRNC IS UNDERSTOOD TO BE AN ALT CLRNC SO CLB WAS STARTED BY ACR.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A SHORT FLT AT 15000 FT. THERE WAS WX IN THE AREA AND MOST FLTS WERE EITHER DEVIATING OR ON VECTORS AROUND IT. ATC WAS VERY BUSY. WE WERE TOLD TO CLB TO MAINTAIN 'ONE SEVEN THOUSAND' FT AND GIVEN AN ALTIMETER SETTING. I REPEATED THE CLRNC BACK AS THE CAPT AND I BOTH HEARD IT. MY CAPT INITIATED A 1000 FPM CLB USING THE AUTOPLT. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, ATC TOLD US THEY WERE SHOWING US IN A CLB (WHICH WE WERE). I THEN TOLD THE CTLR THAT SHE HAD CLRED US TO 17000 FT AND THAT I HAD READ IT BACK. THE CTLR TOLD US THAT THE CLRNC WAS NOT TO 17000 FT BUT TO MAINTAIN 'ONE SEVEN ZERO' KTS. WE SLOWED THE ACFT AND WERE THEN GIVEN A VECTOR TO RESEQUENCE. AT NO TIME WERE WE IN CONFLICT WITH OTHER TFC, IE, NO TA'S OR RA'S FROM TCASII. IF INDEED WE WERE TOLD 170 KTS AND NOT 17000 FT, THEN WHY THE ALTIMETER SETTING? THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE USED TO ASSOCIATING WITH A CHANGE IN ALT OR A HDOF. CORRECTIVE ACTION COULD BE TO PREFACE A SPD ASSIGNMENT USING THE WORD 'SPD' AS IN 'REDUCE SPD, MAINTAIN 170 KTS' AND NOT JUST 'MAINTAIN 170 KTS.' IT'S VERY EASY FOR THESE THINGS TO TAKE PLACE WHEN THINGS GET BUSY. HOWEVER, THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE READBACK. LISTENING IS THE KEY TO COM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.