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Attributes | |
ACN | 451763 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zny.artcc |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 17000 msl bound upper : 17700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tower : geg.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : n/s |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 451763 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : altitude alert |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We departed ewr and were climbing to the assigned altitude of 17000 ft. ZNY advised us of VFR traffic at 16500 ft and reassigned us to climb to 16000 ft. I set 16000 ft in the altitude alerter and read this back to center. We leveled off at 16000 ft. I then reported the traffic in sight. Center once again assigned us 17000 ft. I read this back and set 17000 ft in the altitude alerter. The first officer resumed the climb. Center assigned us to another frequency. I was setting the new frequency in the radio when I heard the altitude alerter go off. I looked up to see us climbing through 17500 ft. I assisted the first officer in pushing the nose over and beginning the descent back to 17000 ft. We got to almost 17700 ft before the aircraft started back down. Leveling at 17000 ft, I completed the frequency change and contacted the next sector. We were then cleared to climb to FL280. There was no mention of an altitude excursion by either party. I think the first officer is competent and just made an honest mistake that I should have been able to prevent had I not been distraction by the frequency change. We have recently installed new communication radios with 6 digits. They are controled by 2 knobs, the larger, bottom knob controling the digits to the left of the decimal and the smaller, top knob controling the digits to the right of the decimal point. The digits to the right of the decimal do not always move in a linear fashion with the turning of the knob. If the knob is moved rapidly, the digit change is accelerated. When you have a requirement for a large change in these digits and a rapid twist of the knob is used, it is more likely than not that you will grossly over- or undershoot the target frequency. This usually requires at least 2 more turns of the knob to finally get the correct frequency selected. This requires way too much time with your head down, especially in the terminal area. I think there should be a switch to disable the thousands digits when it is not required. The small knob could be lifted to select the thousands digit mode or else use a keypad to enter the frequency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747 FLC OVERSHOOTS ITS ASSIGNED ALT DURING CLB UNDER CTL OF ZNY, NY.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED EWR AND WERE CLBING TO THE ASSIGNED ALT OF 17000 FT. ZNY ADVISED US OF VFR TFC AT 16500 FT AND REASSIGNED US TO CLB TO 16000 FT. I SET 16000 FT IN THE ALT ALERTER AND READ THIS BACK TO CTR. WE LEVELED OFF AT 16000 FT. I THEN RPTED THE TFC IN SIGHT. CTR ONCE AGAIN ASSIGNED US 17000 FT. I READ THIS BACK AND SET 17000 FT IN THE ALT ALERTER. THE FO RESUMED THE CLB. CTR ASSIGNED US TO ANOTHER FREQ. I WAS SETTING THE NEW FREQ IN THE RADIO WHEN I HEARD THE ALT ALERTER GO OFF. I LOOKED UP TO SEE US CLBING THROUGH 17500 FT. I ASSISTED THE FO IN PUSHING THE NOSE OVER AND BEGINNING THE DSCNT BACK TO 17000 FT. WE GOT TO ALMOST 17700 FT BEFORE THE ACFT STARTED BACK DOWN. LEVELING AT 17000 FT, I COMPLETED THE FREQ CHANGE AND CONTACTED THE NEXT SECTOR. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO CLB TO FL280. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF AN ALT EXCURSION BY EITHER PARTY. I THINK THE FO IS COMPETENT AND JUST MADE AN HONEST MISTAKE THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PREVENT HAD I NOT BEEN DISTR BY THE FREQ CHANGE. WE HAVE RECENTLY INSTALLED NEW COM RADIOS WITH 6 DIGITS. THEY ARE CTLED BY 2 KNOBS, THE LARGER, BOTTOM KNOB CTLING THE DIGITS TO THE L OF THE DECIMAL AND THE SMALLER, TOP KNOB CTLING THE DIGITS TO THE R OF THE DECIMAL POINT. THE DIGITS TO THE R OF THE DECIMAL DO NOT ALWAYS MOVE IN A LINEAR FASHION WITH THE TURNING OF THE KNOB. IF THE KNOB IS MOVED RAPIDLY, THE DIGIT CHANGE IS ACCELERATED. WHEN YOU HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR A LARGE CHANGE IN THESE DIGITS AND A RAPID TWIST OF THE KNOB IS USED, IT IS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT THAT YOU WILL GROSSLY OVER- OR UNDERSHOOT THE TARGET FREQ. THIS USUALLY REQUIRES AT LEAST 2 MORE TURNS OF THE KNOB TO FINALLY GET THE CORRECT FREQ SELECTED. THIS REQUIRES WAY TOO MUCH TIME WITH YOUR HEAD DOWN, ESPECIALLY IN THE TERMINAL AREA. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A SWITCH TO DISABLE THE THOUSANDS DIGITS WHEN IT IS NOT REQUIRED. THE SMALL KNOB COULD BE LIFTED TO SELECT THE THOUSANDS DIGIT MODE OR ELSE USE A KEYPAD TO ENTER THE FREQ.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.