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A PA28-161 flight instructor refuses to display his credentials to an FAA inspector on the grounds that his aeronautical club activities were a government flight or operation and outside the jurisdiction of the FAA.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 452207 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199910 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mjx.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : instructional |
| Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : instructor |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 452207 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | instruction : trainee |
| Qualification | pilot : student |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other other : inspector 3 |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Ramp check. At AB00 FAA inspector phl FSDO asked for my flying credentials. I told FAA inspector that I thought this was a government flight and out of the FAA jurisdiction. FAA inspector asked student (active duty second lieutenant) for orders to flight train. As an FAA safety counselor, I am aware of ramp check obligations. After FAA asked student if his active duty status was real, the second lieutenant (student) said it was his mission to fly and train. FAA is investigating this as a failure to check credentials, but I believe this was/is a government flight. FAA inspector then stepped back and said he knew who I was and mentioned my name. He said he would call oct/xa/99 to verify information.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA28-161 FLT INSTRUCTOR REFUSES TO DISPLAY HIS CREDENTIALS TO AN FAA INSPECTOR ON THE GROUNDS THAT HIS AERO CLUB ACTIVITIES WERE A GOV FLT OR OP AND OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE FAA.
Narrative: RAMP CHK. AT AB00 FAA INSPECTOR PHL FSDO ASKED FOR MY FLYING CREDENTIALS. I TOLD FAA INSPECTOR THAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOV FLT AND OUT OF THE FAA JURISDICTION. FAA INSPECTOR ASKED STUDENT (ACTIVE DUTY SECOND LIEUTENANT) FOR ORDERS TO FLT TRAIN. AS AN FAA SAFETY COUNSELOR, I AM AWARE OF RAMP CHK OBLIGATIONS. AFTER FAA ASKED STUDENT IF HIS ACTIVE DUTY STATUS WAS REAL, THE SECOND LIEUTENANT (STUDENT) SAID IT WAS HIS MISSION TO FLY AND TRAIN. FAA IS INVESTIGATING THIS AS A FAILURE TO CHK CREDENTIALS, BUT I BELIEVE THIS WAS/IS A GOV FLT. FAA INSPECTOR THEN STEPPED BACK AND SAID HE KNEW WHO I WAS AND MENTIONED MY NAME. HE SAID HE WOULD CALL OCT/XA/99 TO VERIFY INFO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.