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BE1900D crew, after radio frequency congestion, has dispute with ZOB about the finer points of 'void times.'
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 452990 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199910 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ckb.airport |
| State Reference | WV |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff ground : takeoff roll |
| Route In Use | departure : vfr |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3950 flight time type : 2800 |
| ASRS Report | 452990 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : ns other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Received clearance void time of XA58 local. I checked my watch with that of FSS and found to be within 20 seconds. We started takeoff roll at XA58:30. Unable to report on until XA59:30 due frequency congestion (controller working an aircraft with a bad radio). Controller promptly informed us of departing '2 mins' passed our void time. We declined to discuss the matter over the air, apologized, and continued on. No further incidents. My understanding of a void time is to be airborne by the end of that time, ie, XA58:59. I believe now, that the proper interpretation of a void time is to the very second, ie, XA58:00. Lesson learned.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE1900D CREW, AFTER RADIO FREQ CONGESTION, HAS DISPUTE WITH ZOB ABOUT THE FINER POINTS OF 'VOID TIMES.'
Narrative: RECEIVED CLRNC VOID TIME OF XA58 LCL. I CHKED MY WATCH WITH THAT OF FSS AND FOUND TO BE WITHIN 20 SECONDS. WE STARTED TKOF ROLL AT XA58:30. UNABLE TO RPT ON UNTIL XA59:30 DUE FREQ CONGESTION (CTLR WORKING AN ACFT WITH A BAD RADIO). CTLR PROMPTLY INFORMED US OF DEPARTING '2 MINS' PASSED OUR VOID TIME. WE DECLINED TO DISCUSS THE MATTER OVER THE AIR, APOLOGIZED, AND CONTINUED ON. NO FURTHER INCIDENTS. MY UNDERSTANDING OF A VOID TIME IS TO BE AIRBORNE BY THE END OF THAT TIME, IE, XA58:59. I BELIEVE NOW, THAT THE PROPER INTERP OF A VOID TIME IS TO THE VERY SECOND, IE, XA58:00. LESSON LEARNED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.