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Attributes | |
ACN | 453281 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : luk.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cvg.tracon tower : luk.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | PA-31 Navajo Chieftan/Mojave/Navajo T1020 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : straight in arrival : vfr arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : luk.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | British Aerospace Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern arrival : on vectors arrival : vfr |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 450 |
ASRS Report | 453281 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were on an IFR flight plan and cleared for a visual approach (straight-in) to runway 21L into luk. The controller pointed out traffic to us that was on a right base also for runway 21L and stated 'but he's VFR.' myself and my copilot were not sure what he meant by that and the controller seemed hesitant about what to do with 2 aircraft converging towards the same airspace. Without having us deviate, he switched us over to tower, to which tower responded 'you do see this guy on base right?' and we acknowledged. We also told tower that we were making a 360 degree turn to the left for spacing and made the turn. As we were 90 degrees into our turn, tower cleared us for runway 21R, but we stated we were unable to comply and finished our turn and had an uneventful landing on runway 21L. If we did not make the 360 degree turn we would have ended up in very close proximity to the other aircraft. The tower controllers seemed upset with cincinnati approach for handing us off so late (final). We also believe that the problem would not have existed if we were handed off earlier for the tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NAVAJO CHIEFTAIN MAKING A VFR APCH TO LUK ARPT. APCH POINTS OUT TFC IN PATTERN JUST PRIOR TO LATE HDOF. NAVAJO MUST MANEUVER TO AVOID TFC TO PREVENT SERIOUS CONFLICT.
Narrative: WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN AND CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH (STRAIGHT-IN) TO RWY 21L INTO LUK. THE CTLR POINTED OUT TFC TO US THAT WAS ON A R BASE ALSO FOR RWY 21L AND STATED 'BUT HE'S VFR.' MYSELF AND MY COPLT WERE NOT SURE WHAT HE MEANT BY THAT AND THE CTLR SEEMED HESITANT ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH 2 ACFT CONVERGING TOWARDS THE SAME AIRSPACE. WITHOUT HAVING US DEVIATE, HE SWITCHED US OVER TO TWR, TO WHICH TWR RESPONDED 'YOU DO SEE THIS GUY ON BASE RIGHT?' AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED. WE ALSO TOLD TWR THAT WE WERE MAKING A 360 DEG TURN TO THE L FOR SPACING AND MADE THE TURN. AS WE WERE 90 DEGS INTO OUR TURN, TWR CLRED US FOR RWY 21R, BUT WE STATED WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY AND FINISHED OUR TURN AND HAD AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG ON RWY 21L. IF WE DID NOT MAKE THE 360 DEG TURN WE WOULD HAVE ENDED UP IN VERY CLOSE PROX TO THE OTHER ACFT. THE TWR CTLRS SEEMED UPSET WITH CINCINNATI APCH FOR HANDING US OFF SO LATE (FINAL). WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE PROB WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED IF WE WERE HANDED OFF EARLIER FOR THE TWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.