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Attributes | |
ACN | 453520 |
Time | |
Date | 199910 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 20600 flight time type : 410 |
ASRS Report | 453520 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After landing on runway 25L, I taxied off the runway on taxiway north and held short of runway 25R as instructed. When instructed to cross runway 25R, I first visually cleared the runway, then spooled up to cross. Lax tower seemed annoyed that I did not cross as fast as they would have liked. Once across runway 25R on taxiway north I held awaiting instructions from lax ground. Their first call to me was garbled. When my first officer called back for taxi instruction, lax ground made a rude comment, then told us we needed to expedite for clearing aircraft from runway 25R (I looked behind me and could see an aircraft behind us) and to take the northern route. Uncertain of exactly what the 'northern' route was, I made a left turn onto taxiway B and moved up to taxiway P to allow the aircraft behind me room to clear runway 25R. Lax ground control attitude was unnecessarily curt, and I was told to call the tower on a landline. We taxied to the gate without further hostilities from lax ground. A call was made to lax tower. After a brief chat with the tower supervisor, I believe all sides felt this event was over. Note: even though some airports have designated taxi rtes, ie, north etc, a pilot must have time to look at it 'on the ground' before proceeding. If ground needs an expeditious movement they should assign a route using taxiway a idents which are usually visually evident without referring to a chart. This situation could have been averted if 1) less radio congestion, 2) taxiway assignment using taxiway a identify, 3) no need for immediate movement.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AIRBUS CREW UNPREPARED AFTER LNDG AT LAX FOR GND OP.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG ON RWY 25L, I TAXIED OFF THE RWY ON TXWY N AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 25R AS INSTRUCTED. WHEN INSTRUCTED TO CROSS RWY 25R, I FIRST VISUALLY CLRED THE RWY, THEN SPOOLED UP TO CROSS. LAX TWR SEEMED ANNOYED THAT I DID NOT CROSS AS FAST AS THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED. ONCE ACROSS RWY 25R ON TXWY N I HELD AWAITING INSTRUCTIONS FROM LAX GND. THEIR FIRST CALL TO ME WAS GARBLED. WHEN MY FO CALLED BACK FOR TAXI INSTRUCTION, LAX GND MADE A RUDE COMMENT, THEN TOLD US WE NEEDED TO EXPEDITE FOR CLRING ACFT FROM RWY 25R (I LOOKED BEHIND ME AND COULD SEE AN ACFT BEHIND US) AND TO TAKE THE NORTHERN RTE. UNCERTAIN OF EXACTLY WHAT THE 'NORTHERN' RTE WAS, I MADE A L TURN ONTO TXWY B AND MOVED UP TO TXWY P TO ALLOW THE ACFT BEHIND ME ROOM TO CLR RWY 25R. LAX GND CTL ATTITUDE WAS UNNECESSARILY CURT, AND I WAS TOLD TO CALL THE TWR ON A LANDLINE. WE TAXIED TO THE GATE WITHOUT FURTHER HOSTILITIES FROM LAX GND. A CALL WAS MADE TO LAX TWR. AFTER A BRIEF CHAT WITH THE TWR SUPVR, I BELIEVE ALL SIDES FELT THIS EVENT WAS OVER. NOTE: EVEN THOUGH SOME ARPTS HAVE DESIGNATED TAXI RTES, IE, N ETC, A PLT MUST HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT 'ON THE GND' BEFORE PROCEEDING. IF GND NEEDS AN EXPEDITIOUS MOVEMENT THEY SHOULD ASSIGN A RTE USING TXWY A IDENTS WHICH ARE USUALLY VISUALLY EVIDENT WITHOUT REFERRING TO A CHART. THIS SIT COULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED IF 1) LESS RADIO CONGESTION, 2) TXWY ASSIGNMENT USING TXWY A IDENT, 3) NO NEED FOR IMMEDIATE MOVEMENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.