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Attributes | |
ACN | 456445 |
Time | |
Date | 199912 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower tower : slc.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 25l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 8300 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 456445 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On landing at lax runway 25L, we were given instructions to turn left off of runway, taxi down parallel and hold short of runway 25L on taxiway F. When we arrived at taxiway F, we were told to cross runway 25L and that the controller would call us back, and that traffic was on a 1 1/2 mi final. The first officer read the clearance back and nothing further was said. Upon reaching runway 25R we were told to cross runway 25R and join taxiway B. When I arrived at the hotel, I had a message to call the control tower. The supervisor informed me that we did not have clearance to cross runway 25L and that a report would be filed. The supervisor said the tape of the controller stated 'expect to cross runway 25L await further instructions.' the traffic was very busy that day and there were a lot of radio xmissions being blocked by other traffic. I believe that the 'expect to' part of the transmission was blocked and we did not hear it. I also believe the proper terminology for this clearance should have been 'hold short of runway 25L await further instructions, traffic on 1 1/2 mi final.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CROSSES RWY AT LAX AFTER MISUNDERSTANDING CLRNC.
Narrative: ON LNDG AT LAX RWY 25L, WE WERE GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS TO TURN L OFF OF RWY, TAXI DOWN PARALLEL AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L ON TXWY F. WHEN WE ARRIVED AT TXWY F, WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS RWY 25L AND THAT THE CTLR WOULD CALL US BACK, AND THAT TFC WAS ON A 1 1/2 MI FINAL. THE FO READ THE CLRNC BACK AND NOTHING FURTHER WAS SAID. UPON REACHING RWY 25R WE WERE TOLD TO CROSS RWY 25R AND JOIN TXWY B. WHEN I ARRIVED AT THE HOTEL, I HAD A MESSAGE TO CALL THE CTL TWR. THE SUPVR INFORMED ME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE CLRNC TO CROSS RWY 25L AND THAT A RPT WOULD BE FILED. THE SUPVR SAID THE TAPE OF THE CTLR STATED 'EXPECT TO CROSS RWY 25L AWAIT FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS.' THE TFC WAS VERY BUSY THAT DAY AND THERE WERE A LOT OF RADIO XMISSIONS BEING BLOCKED BY OTHER TFC. I BELIEVE THAT THE 'EXPECT TO' PART OF THE XMISSION WAS BLOCKED AND WE DID NOT HEAR IT. I ALSO BELIEVE THE PROPER TERMINOLOGY FOR THIS CLRNC SHOULD HAVE BEEN 'HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L AWAIT FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS, TFC ON 1 1/2 MI FINAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.