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After being advised twice by approach control at bos to expect full length runway, bos tower controller instructs pilot to hold short.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 456518 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199911 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bos.airport |
| State Reference | MA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bos.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 456518 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Bos ATIS 'traffic landing runway 4L expect to hold short of runway 33R.' initial check in with bos approach 118.25 told to expect runway 4R (full length) then went to bos approach 119.65 and cleared visual approach runway 4L (full length) and then switched to bos tower on a 7-8 NM final runway 4L. At 3-4 NM final runway 4L, bos tower said, cleared to land runway 4L hold short runway 33R. We told him unable hold short. Tower controller asked the reason. We told him we needed more than a 3 mi final for hold short clearance. Tower controller then exclaimed 'did you listen to the ATIS?' we said we had the information but required more warning than short final and refused hold short for taxiing aircraft. If lahso is to be accomplished safely and effectively, I feel approach control needs to issue 'expect hold short' clrncs and information. I feel short final is not the time to brief my first officer of alternate missed approach instructions or special climb out instructions that many of our lahso runways require.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER BEING ADVISED TWICE BY APCH CTL AT BOS TO EXPECT FULL LENGTH RWY, BOS TWR CTLR INSTRUCTS PLT TO HOLD SHORT.
Narrative: BOS ATIS 'TFC LNDG RWY 4L EXPECT TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 33R.' INITIAL CHK IN WITH BOS APCH 118.25 TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 4R (FULL LENGTH) THEN WENT TO BOS APCH 119.65 AND CLRED VISUAL APCH RWY 4L (FULL LENGTH) AND THEN SWITCHED TO BOS TWR ON A 7-8 NM FINAL RWY 4L. AT 3-4 NM FINAL RWY 4L, BOS TWR SAID, CLRED TO LAND RWY 4L HOLD SHORT RWY 33R. WE TOLD HIM UNABLE HOLD SHORT. TWR CTLR ASKED THE REASON. WE TOLD HIM WE NEEDED MORE THAN A 3 MI FINAL FOR HOLD SHORT CLRNC. TWR CTLR THEN EXCLAIMED 'DID YOU LISTEN TO THE ATIS?' WE SAID WE HAD THE INFO BUT REQUIRED MORE WARNING THAN SHORT FINAL AND REFUSED HOLD SHORT FOR TAXIING ACFT. IF LAHSO IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED SAFELY AND EFFECTIVELY, I FEEL APCH CTL NEEDS TO ISSUE 'EXPECT HOLD SHORT' CLRNCS AND INFO. I FEEL SHORT FINAL IS NOT THE TIME TO BRIEF MY FO OF ALTERNATE MISSED APCH INSTRUCTIONS OR SPECIAL CLBOUT INSTRUCTIONS THAT MANY OF OUR LAHSO RWYS REQUIRE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.